Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
I don't see why not. The echoes from Fizban's are easily powerful enough.
D&D General What’s The Big Deal About Psionics?
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It depends on the "tier" of the pact giver.
Creation of a warlock is higher tier magic than creation of a sorcerer.
A common fey can make a sorcerer. The fey has to be an Archfey to create a warlock.
An echo boosted great wyrm isn't a normal dragon. It's basically an "arch-dragon".
There is heavy hinting in 4e and 5e that beings that create warlocks are more powerful than those who create sorcerers. And cleric creation is higher than them both.
WOTC hasn't decided where psion creation falls on the hierarchy.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
Says who? Where are you getting that from?
And an Archfey can make you a sorcerer. I mean, if they can make a warlock and sorcerer is easier, they can make sorcerers, too.
Same as above.
Pacts with powerful creatures can yield sorcerers or warlocks.
I almost literally said that.
A common dryad can only make sorcerers.
An Archfey Queen of Dryads can make sorcerers and warlocks.
A Goddess of Feydom can make sorcerers, warlocks, and clerics.
Maxperson
Morkus from Orkus
So then you agree that sorcerers can make pacts to get their powers, because this is what I was disagreeing with you about from post 891.
"The Sorcerer doesn't make a pact.
The Sorcerers' powers are "genetic". Either from an ancestor passing down or an event altering their "genes". It's just that D&D doesn't speak of genes. The closest would be a truename and I believe sorcery is part of your true name."
A sorcerer's magic can come from a pact.
My point is a sorcerer's origin and a warlock's pact are two very different things. Even if a sorcerer is a result of a warlock pact, the sorcerer themselves is not the warlock pact maker but a descendant.
A sorcerous pact is barely a pact as sorcery can never be taken away, stalled, metered, or leveraged. It's closer to a gift or blessing that is part of a more encompassing pact.
glass
(he, him)
Can we not do this. It may be the 50th aniversary, but it certainly is not the 50th edition.
Psion 20. EDIT: Actually if we were talking AD&D 2e, it should be Psionicist 20. OTOH, @James Gasik was talking about 4e, in which the "slash" notation for multiclassing is not meaningful so presumably the requirements therein were different (although roughly equivalent). Also the quote was messed up - hopefully I have fixed it now!
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Crimson Longinus
Legend
Yeah, it's weird.
And I think splitting hairs like that is completely stupid. If whatever the pact resulted is inheritable, then certainly the inheritors are same type of creature than the originator? It is just needlessly metaphysically messy and confused.
There is no indication that powers gained via pact can be taken away either.
James Gasik
We don't talk about Pun-Pun
No I was referring to 2e Dragon Kings, wow was it really Psionicist 20? So yeah, Wizard/Psionicist 20, mea culpa.
My point was just that by the lore a warlock pact and sorcerer origin/bloodline are not the same. They are different flavors.
So attempts to combine sorcerer and warlock or Psion with the ,other two is killing flavor.
It's like saying fighters and wizards are the same because they both train to learn something external.
I said "taken away, stalled, metered, or leveraged."
The word pact means an alliance and agreement to follow terms. The warlock made or inherited a deal. There is a patron. A patron strong enough to make a warlock.
No deal is needed to be a sorcerer. You could just be born on a lucky day or walked into a magic event. That's why anyone magical can do it. It's why a sorcerer can be several generations removed from their origin.
