D&D General What’s The Big Deal About Psionics?

[James Gasik]

Oh I guess I should mention that to become a Dragon you have to be a Wizard 20/Psion 10. Everything is connected, man!

 

[Minigiant]

Except in Dark Sun. 4e Dark Sun had the Sorcerer-King Pact, and the ultimate goal of the Sorcerer-Kings was to become Dragons.

EDIT: Also, to explain how you could use this in the Forgotten Realms, it was explained you could make a Pact with ancient liches.

EDIT 2: and in Dark Sun, Sorcerer-Kings can grant divine spells to their followers, known as Templars.

Sorcerer-kings were "kinda sorta divine" so they techinically were powerful enough to make pacts.

Ancient liches were stronger in sorcery than dragons as well.

That's the point. The base dragon didn't have enough socerery to make a warlock. They would have to ascend to a new type of dragon to pull of the make to make a warlock.

Or in big fat dumb dumb term. Warlock pacts are Epic Magic. If you can't do epic magic, you can't make a warlock.

Look as who the PHB lists as patrons, Archhfey, Archdevils, Demon Princes, Tharizdun, and Cthulthu. No chumps.

 

[Yaarel]

Then why do you seem so hellbent on taking away everything that is unique, distinctive, and cool about them?

Because giving the coolness Warlock mechanics makes it better mechanically.

But in your mind nobody can be just born with natural talent for magic? No one gets to be special without selling their soul?

If we are talking about official sorcerer flavor, that is correct.

 

[Minigiant]

Neither the cosmic Cleric nor the Paladin have anything to do with gods. The divine power source is something else.

The cosmic force has to be big or powerful enough to itself have a divine rank or be equivalent to one.

 

[James Gasik]

Let's not forget it's very likely the Warlock will change in 50e, just by looking at how they changed 'short rest' mechanics on the races in Monster of the Multiverse.

 

[Yaarel]

The cosmic force has to be big or powerful enough to itself have a divine rank or be equivalent to one.

The Paladin disagrees with you.

The divine power source is something else.

 

[James Gasik]

The cosmic force has to be big or powerful enough to itself have a divine rank or be equivalent to one.

In editions past, you could be a Cleric who worships no god at all, but instead, believes in a philosophy or force of nature.

 

[Minigiant]

The Paladin disagrees with you.

The divine power source is something else.

In editions past, you could be a Cleric who worships no god at all, but instead, believes in a philosophy or force of nature.

Of course.
My point is the forceof nature has to have a lot of power behind it.
You can't be a Cleric of something that doesn't have the power to power your spells.

 

[James Gasik]

Well this is probably no longer canon, but it used to be that any sort of belief could grant up to level 2 spells. You could believe in a rock and get that much. This is why in Spelljammer, those levels of spells are available to Clerics who do not serve a Power native to a given Crystal Sphere.

 

[MoonSong]

If we are talking about official sorcerer flavor, that is correct.

"Official"? a weird interpretation of three random lines scattered across two books that somehow overwrites and contradicts all the other text in three books, on top of being the exact opposite of a four edition and twenty year tradition for an edition that is all about big tent and preserving lore. But yeah, lets call it official...