D&D 5E What about warlocks and sorcerers?

[thewok]

Where did he tell you this information? I wish he would tell all of us.

Where else would someone give out information? The 140-character Hell that is Twitter.

 

[variant]

Where else would someone give out information? The 140-character Hell that is Twitter.

Ah, I thought maybe he got to talk to him at GenCon. Well, him saying the Warlock and Sorcerer will be under the Mage finally answers that question.

 

[Li Shenron]

Point is, if you are going to significant differences, like spell tables, then just have different classes. There s supposed to be mechanical as well as thematic connections in the class.

[MENTION=41293]variant[/MENTION]

Do me a favor,stop making changes to your post after you've been responded to, just continue in a separate post, thanks.

To answer the additions to your post, I've no idea what the artificer subclass will look like, so I can't answer. My point is, if there are going to be multiple mechanics in a class, make them different classes: just like the paladin, ranger, fighter, monk, barbarian. If we can live with 5 martial classes, a couple of arcane classes won't kill us.

I complete agree with these...

Why can't they just continue with the simplest solution i.e. designing separate classes for each arcane caster?

Where exactly is the benefit in having one class to rule them all? Why having 5 martial classes but 1 giant arcane class?

It would be understandable if they had taken the route of having e.g. 4 mega-classes (the iconic Fighter, Cleric, Wizard, Rogue) and everyone else becoming a subclass, but they didn't... they continued the tradition of a wide array of classes, so why suddenly this urge to lump all arcane casters together?

 

[bogmad]

If you sell me on it I can maybe get behind warlock and sorcerer being folded into the mage class, but psion? Will the psion be pulling from the same spell list? The psion's powers will be called "spells"? Something inside me just squirms at the thought of that.

 

[Kobold Avenger]

I never saw the appeal of having a multiclass Wizard/Sorcerer, even though they made a prestige class for that combo. So it's sort of alright that Wizard and Sorcerer are both Mage subclasses. But now I see the problem with the Mage being too big if that encompasses the Wizard, Sorcerer, Warlock and Psion now.

They need to give the other classes some more stuff now.

 

[variant]

Do we even know that it will be impossible to multi-subclass?

 

[Kobold Avenger]

Do we even know that it will be impossible to multi-subclass?

They never said it was, but if you're going to multi-subclass, then maybe it is better to go custom subclass picking and choosing from each one.

 

[variant]

They never said it was, but if you're going to multi-subclass, then maybe it is better to go custom subclass picking and choosing from each one.

I could definitely see a game ruling saying that would be okay, but it wouldn't work for the Mage as it is a meta-class with multiple classes under it and then subclasses under those.

 

[Falling Icicle]

From Twitter:

@Clockworknektie so is the warlock still likely to be a full class at release?

@mikemearls Will be a flavor of mage, like wizardry, with pact choices that fill niche similar to wizard's school of magic.

@Gyor1 What about the Psion and simular classes, do they become a subclass and if so, of which class?

@mikemearls Psionics will be under the mage. Something like the psychic warrior/battlemind would be a fighter subclass

This is just....wow. I'm at a loss for words. I can't even describe how awful this is. As much as I like Next, they've actually managed to so something so colossally stupid that I'd rather play Pathfinder instead. I can only hope that a tidal wave of negative feedback will ensue and knock some sense into them.

 

[gyor]

I got this off his tweets.

He'd list every possible pact, people just asked him about 4e Warlock subclasses from 4e like the hexblade, binder (I hated the 4e binder as awannabe, 3e binder rocks sorry for drift), the basic binder as well as pacts and he said that stuff would fall under warlocks like schools fall under wizards.

So Mage is going to be one big daddy of a class with Wizards, Sorcerors, Artificers, Psions, Warlocks, and possibly campaign specific stuff like the Dragonlance towers of high sorcery all falling under Mage. Its going to be the mack daddy of classes. Bards don't fall under mages though, but Bards may eat other classes as well if his reply to my Ardent example is any indictation.


Okay here is some pure speculation on my part below.

Previous comments on Primal Spirits hints that (my guess) that Shaman maybe eaten by Druid.

Archivist maybe easier to reproduce via Wizard then cleric mechanically. Invoker on the other hand would be easier as a Cleric Dominion.

Avenger would fit easily under the current design of the Paladin.