What exactly makes the Greyhawk Campaign Setting

There is a certain amount of irony here. The theme of Greyhawk is neutrality, a world without fixed black and white. I find it amusing that it was chosen as the baseline setting in a system frequently critiqued for alignment abuse. It is also interesting that, since it is part of the core rules, it becomes the standard from which everything varies.

There is also irony, of course, in that a group of somewhat jaded gamers sees a world filled with dragons, wizards, and mighty conflicts as "nothing special." :)

Greyhawk is where you go if you just want baseline fantasy. Eberron is your destination for pulpy fiction adventures. The Realms is the perfect place if you want to walk down a street with an 18th-level aasimar sorcerer, a half-drow paladin, and a polymorphed shadow dragon.
 

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Garnfellow said:
Whatever happened to him (her)? Screed was probably the most infuriating . . . and interesting poster on the old AOL Greyhawk boards. Always worth reading.

wasn't he the Human Torch... aka Gene W?

i miss Baloo.
 



diaglo said:
Gene Weigel.

you'd know him anywhere.

Blah. After doing some painful reading on various message boards, I'm not sure it's the same dude. (And I should note GENEWEIGEL does have an EnWorld account.)

nitescreed could be a provocateur, but not really a knee-jerk grognard.

diaglo, I want the last hour of my life back!
 

Garnfellow said:
Blah. After doing some painful reading on various message boards, I'm not sure it's the same dude. (And I should note GENEWEIGEL does have an EnWorld account.)

nitescreed could be a provocateur, but not really a knee-jerk grognard.

diaglo, I want the last hour of my life back!


ROFLMAO...

sorry mang,

couldn't help myself.

Gene "Human Torch" W is a much bigger Greyhawk fanboy than i could ever hope to aspire...
 

DreadPirateMurphy said:
I find it amusing that it was chosen as the baseline setting in a system frequently critiqued for alignment abuse.
"Abuse" is the word. I do not think I have ever seen an 'alignment sux' thread without the example cited being some variant abomination that clearly shows someone hasn't a clue how to use the mechanic.

Greyhawk struck me as a bit more classic while FR was the more populist setting. One of the things that drew me to Dragonlance was the more monolithic forces at work, but reading Contact's(?) RttToEE (set in GH) story hour got me more into factional foes. I would say that my current homebrew campaign is pretty faithful to the GH theme.
 

diaglo said:
that's right.

some of us despise the Greyhack stuff after 1984 too.

there was no Greyhack War in true Greyhawk

Now, diaglo, you know that's not entirely true: the foundation for the GH Wars was laid in the Dragon Magazine article written by EGG and RJK, in particular these:

Roger Moore's Greyhawk Index file says said:
57/13: "From the Sorceror's [sic] Scroll: Developments from Stonefist to South Province" (Gary Gygax): The action in Stonefist, the lands of the "cold" barbarians, Ratik, Bone March, South Province, Sunndi, Idee, Irongate, and Onnwal is detailed from 577 to the spring of 579 CY. The orcs of Bone March are said to belong to the Vile Rune and Death Moon tribes, from the Monster Manual I (see "Orc"); much information is given on the disintegrating Great Kingdom and its fights with its neighbors. Sadly, many "current events" columns planned described at the beginning of this one were never completed.

59/24: "Notes from the WORLD OF GREYHAWK Fantasy Setting: The Great Kingdom and the Knights of Doom" (Rob Kuntz): GREYHAWK campaign details here include hostile press between Pholtus clerics in Rauxes and "OverKing Irvid" (the Overking, Ivid, misspelled throughout), news about "Xaene the accursed, cavorter with demons, archÑenemy of the Mages' Guild at Rauxes," and game information on Xaene's aptly named Demonic Knights of Doom, who lead "Irvid's" armies. The Great Kingdom is noted to have Eastern and Western Provinces as well as Northern and Southern ones. The units of the Knights of Doom are detailed down to unit colors and battlefield behaviors. "Irvid" is stated to be a wizard who helped Xaene create the Knights of Doom, which oddly are of all three evil alignments. See the Revised GREYHAWK Campaign Index, Part 1, "Lost TSR Materials" ("Tower of Zaeen" and "Maze of Xaene") and "Miscellaneous NonÑTSR Materials" (Maze of Zayene) for more unofficial information on Xaene. Official material on this archÑvillain can be found throughout the AOL "Download of the Month" file, "Ivid the Undying," which consists of the complete text of an unpublished GREYHAWK accessory. See also #9253 WG8 Fate of Istus, "Rauxes: Down with the Wizard" (also by Robert J. Kuntz), pages 69Ñ82, for a complete description of Xaene the Accursed's truly accursed new form.

63/15: "Greyhawk's World: News, Notes and Views of the GREYHAWK Campaign: Events of the Eastern and Southern Flanaess" (Robert Kuntz): Considerable detail on the Great Kingdom appears here, with news up to spring 579 for the Sea Barons, North Province, the See of Medegia, and naval actions on the Solnor Ocean. Errata is offered for the 1980 folio set, pointing out that the capital of Medegia is Mentrey, not Rel Astra, which is semiÑindependent. ("Overking Ivid" is corrected spelled here.) It is clear from this and previous columns of "current events" (issues #56, 57, and 59) that the Flanaess is heading for a major land war covering many regions; the Greyhawk Wars detailed in the boxed sets GREYHAWK Wars and From the Ashes seem logical and well grounded, given a study of this information.

65/11: "Greyhawk's World: News, Notes and Views of the GREYHAWK Campaign: Events of the Eastern and Southern Flanaess" (Robert Kuntz): Here, it is said that a declaration of war was made in late Needfest 578 between Nyrond, Almor, and allies against the Great Kingdom. The news includes naval actions in Spindrift Sound, a bizarre tale from the Spindrift Islands, and the mustering of armies in Almor and Nyrond, with extra forces from the Urnst states. This war likely ended quickly but restarted anew with the Greyhawk Wars a few years later (see GREYHAWK Wars and From the Ashes).
Strangely, Nyrond's armies are commanded by "King Dunstan" (see notes about same in Gygax's "Gnome Cache," issue #1, earlier in this file), even though Archbold III is listed as Nyrond's king in both the 1983 boxed set and From the Ashes. King Dunstan I is listed as a historical figure in both sets, the one in charge when the Urnst states and the Pale separated from Nyrond.

While it's likely than many older GH fans have issues with how those wars were detailed, executed, and carried out in GH Wars and FtA, it always seemed natural to me that the battles outlined in those articles and in EGG's "Artifact of Evil" novel would result in a continent-wide war.
 



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