D&D General What if the Blood War ended? (Possible Outcomes Discussion)

There's the legend, in that it was only brought up in one book outside of PS at the end of 2e and then outright ignored later on, is that Asmodeus really is the Persian/Zoroastrian God of Evil Ahriman/Angra Mainyu, and was banished by his counterpart Jazirian the God of Coatls (which I assume would make Jazirian the secret identity of Ahura Mazda). But that Zoroastrian backstory is one story how good and evil of the lawful side came to be.

I think there's a similar story for Chaos where all chaotic beings once were part of the forces of the Queen of Chaos including the Obyrith Demons and Planar Eladrin like Queen Morwel. But after that primal conflict some like Queen Morwel became Celestials, and others went to the Abyss.

There's a lot of contradictory stories out there about the planes, but many of them have some form of the truth.
It really wasn't ignored, 3e gave some passing references, but called them "brutally suppressed rumors".
 

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I don't think there coupld be per se peace beween the demons and the devils because the demons canonically attack even their allies. Fiendish Codex 1 describes an ancient alliance between the demons and the eladrins that the eladrins backed out of because the demons (and the demon lord known as the Queen of Chaos in particular) continued to hunt eladrins for sport even though they were allies (as, I just noticed, the previous post alludes to)
 

Planescape stated that if the Blood War ended with there being peace between the sides with the Yugoloths in charge, it would be Armageddon with a unified Fiendish army attacking the Upper Planes. The already unified Celestial armies wouldn't stand a chance against the now unified Fiendish armies that outnumber them.
Of course that doesn’t make it true. Just one possible truth.
 





dave2008

Legend
If we can't call canon true, how do we figure out the truth ourselves?
What is canon in D&D is different at every table (and changes from edition to edition). The idea of "canon" in D&D is really a fuzzy and ambiguous thing. 4e made this pretty clear, 5e has mostly followed in that vein as well, with some exceptions.
 


Zeromaru X

Arkhosian scholar and coffee lover
If we can't call canon true, how do we figure out the truth ourselves?

Did that stuff actually happened in some sourcebook or adventure? Or it was just an if scenario? Because, if it was the latter, then the only level of canonicity that stuff had was that of "canonical speculation"... something common in most 2e books.
 

And what is canon? What was written in 1e, or is it what was written in 3e, or is it what has been written in 4e? No wait, it is what the DM makes up at the table.
Canon is what Wizards defines in their current campaign setting. But they have a whole lot of contradictions that are supposed to be canon. The DM can make up his own rules but if you take the books, raw, no alterations, that's what's "canon".
 

Canon is what Wizards defines in their current campaign setting. But they have a whole lot of contradictions that are supposed to be canon. The DM can make up his own rules but if you take the books, raw, no alterations, that's what's "canon".
And you know this because you have worked at WotC in the D&D team? You are simply speculating really. The is not the literary understanding of canon, that is for sure.

As far as I know, WotC has not made a statement on what is canon. And they probably will not, because it doesn’t really make sense for an RPG.

In a book or series by one author, the concept of canon makes some sense, but in an RPG with millions of authors - not so much. It just not a very useful concept for D&D.
 

Stormonu

Legend
Infinite timelines and parallel universes can make things both true and false at the same time. Maybe it happened in one reality, but not in all of them - or someone went back in time and undid something that was formerly true.

Or, like with the crazy god in FR (forget his name), someone could have spread rumors that something WAS true, and either everyone believes it or the power to shape reality through belief actually changed reality at some point.
 


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