what is wrong with a shielding rapier???

[Sodalis]

balanced? a +7 Ac deflection for a measley 4Gs and you are askin for balanced?

I would say 24,500gp is balanced (bonus squared)- because that is the price of the ring of deflection (49ooo) but this only covers 1/2 field- so costs 1/2 as much.

and does deflection stack? or does it still have the same restriction as any other type of bonus?

cause if they do stak, then you can have ring (+5) sword of shield (+7) dancing shield (+7=2large+5 magic)+4 (2 arms of nyr) = 33+dex+dodge

all unarmored.
toss in mithril FP+5,a nd amulet of nat armor in there and you are really a tank- but you can double hand a weapon - 50+dex+dodge

 

[chillwindhaven69]

yes but a deflection bonus is a lot better than most other bonuses as it is one of the only things to protect against touch attacks..........and the rapier would cost 6320gp as the price of the spell must be doubled for no space limitation, also you are forgetting that the ring of deflection is constantly working and does not need to be activated and it has unlimited uses.........the spell on my sword can be dispelled, it can be overcome by the feat blindfight feat, if i lose my sword or get disarmed or use my bow i dont get it..........in all of these cases the ring of deflection still works, and like you said...........the spell only grants the bonus to one half of the battle field

 

[Sodalis]

from the DMg- it is legal that you haev a weapon likethat- but the overwhelming concensus is that it is overpowering- but it doesnt seem like anything is making you back down from you notion of it's balance.

Why dont you talk to your DM and sees what he says- he is the final arbiter after all- and we are just saying what we think- none of that really matters ina agem between you and your DM...

 

[chillwindhaven69]

sodalis, i know i am coming on a bit heavy.....sorry.

my DM has already allowed the item as he believes it is a good idea to make your custem items which are part of your characters background........the sword is called selunes sanctuary, but apart from the fact the DM allowed it, i just want to say that if there are any good suggestions you could give on how to make the sword more balanced, then tell me.....if i think its reasonable then i will change it.

you are effectively right though, i dont know why i am trying to convince you......maybe i was just looking for some support so i could justify it to myself.

 

[BeholderBurger]

sean...go to bed.

 

[Caliban]

The guidelines in the DMG are just that: Guidelines. They are good for determining the base price of a custom weapon, but many of the items in the DMG cost far more that the guidelines would suggest. (Ring of Freedom of Movement, Ring of Invisibility, Ring of Regeneration, the weapon special ability of Speed, any item that grants permanent flight, etc.)

I believe this is because the pricing guidelines in the DMG don't take into account the effect of making a short duration spell permanent, or with with effectively unlimited charges.

This is what your auto-shield rapier is doing. Anytime a short duration, high bonus effect is made effectively permanent, then the price should go through the roof.

I would price it as a slotless item that grants +7 Deflection AC (because cover stacks with just about everything), and +3 limited bonus to Reflex saves, with a 30% discount because the AC is directional, and a further 30% discount because it only applies when the weapon is drawn.

+7 AC = (7 x 7 x 2,000 gp x 2 [slotless]) = 196000 gp

+3 Reflex Saves = (3 x 3 x 250 gp x 2 [slotless]) = 4500 gp

196000 x . 7 x .7 = 96, 040 gp

96, 040 gp + 4,500 gp = 100,540 gp

Total Price = + 100, 540 gp (And that's without factoring in the magic missile immunity it also grants.)

 

[chillwindhaven69]

caliban, i now totally agree with you, many people posting have shown me that an auto-shield rapier is just plain over-powered for the price i was thinking of. But if you read one of my last posts, i have changed the item.....is this still unbalanced?????

+1 shielding rapier (5 charges per day)

5/5charges per day = 1

spell level x caster level x 2000gp/1
1 x 1 x 2000gp/1 =2000gp
+1 rapier =2320gp
2000 x 2 + 2320 =6320gp

it takes a standard action for the shield spell to be activated and then it lasts for 1 minute, this ability is usable 5 times per day.

 

[chillwindhaven69]

i have seen the light.

that weapon was completely unbalanced, so a +1 rapier with 1 charge of the shield spell per day would cost how much???

3120gp

also what do you think of the following items:

The Rogues Ring

This thick band of dull black metal confers a strange bonus to its wearer, it seems to cloak its wearer in shadows and silence any movement from the wielder when worn.
This ring confers a +5 bonus to hide and move silently checks made by the wearer of the ring.

cost 2,000gp

Gauntlets of Weapon Expertise

These black gauntlets with crimson red detail confer amazing fighting ability on even the clumsiest of adventurers.
They give the wielder proficiency in all melee martial and simple weapons and a bonus of +2 to hit and +1 to damage with any weapon they are proficient in, both gauntlets must be worn for the magic to be active.

cost:5,100gp

 

[Number47]

For the rapier, I would figure it to be a plus-equivalent power. For 5/day only, and it takes a standard action to activate, I would say that it is maybe a +2 equivalent. Not really all that powerful, in my opinion, by the mere fact that it takes a standard action to use and that slows you significantly. I think it should be done as a plus-equivalent because it should cost significantly more to have the power on a +5 weapon than a +1.

 

[clark411]

I would take issue with any weapon that makes a force shield right infront of the area you were to attack. Imagine trying to hit something with a pokey, and having a miniature wall of force right infront of it.

if the shield dropped every time you attacked, balanced. If you could shimmy it out of the way so you could stab things without it dropping, unbalanced and silly