D&D (2024) What type of ranger would your prefer for 2024?

What type of ranger?

  • Spell-less Ranger

    Votes: 59 48.4%
  • Spellcasting Ranger

    Votes: 63 51.6%

I see we cycled back to debating what the Ranger even is.

Heres where I talk about all this Ranger magic fooey just being a consequence of attempting to self-reference older flawed versions of DND rather than create something unique and better suited to emulating its literary forebears.
 

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The actual point of the druid is shapeshifting and also being a cleric. It really has nothing to do with nature at all.
This is from page 64 of the PHB, the fourth paragraph under Druid:

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Frankly that is an idiosyncratic view of Rangers that I think most folks would disagree with.
That's the lore of rangers.
Ranger are still civilized, just on the border of civilization. The are not beings of nature like druid. They just have a relationship with it, keeping their humanity.
 

That's the lore of rangers.
Ranger are still civilized, just on the border of civilization. The are not beings of nature like druid. They just have a relationship with it, keeping their humanity.
That is not the same thing as dominating nature, my guy.

And in D&D many rangers are of the wilds first, and deal with civilization because they have to. Depending on setting and edition, they literally train in Druid groves.
 

That is not the same thing as dominating nature, my guy.

And in D&D many rangers are of the wilds first, and deal with civilization because they have to. Depending on setting and edition, they literally train in Druid groves.

Deadly Hunters​


Warriors of the wilderness, rangers specialize in hunting the monsters that threaten the edges of civilization—humanoid raiders, rampaging beasts and monstrosities, terrible giants, and deadly dragons. They learn to track their quarry as a predator does, moving stealthily through the wilds and hiding themselves in brush and rubble. Rangers focus their combat training on techniques that are particularly useful against their specific favored foes.


Thanks to their familiarity with the wilds, rangers acquire the ability to cast spells that harness nature’s power, much as a druid does. Their spells, like their combat abilities, emphasize speed, stealth, and the hunt. A ranger’s talents and abilities are honed with deadly focus on the grim task of protecting the borderlands.


Independent Adventurers​


Though a ranger might make a living as a hunter, a guide, or a tracker, a ranger’s true calling is to defend the outskirts of civilization from the ravages of monsters that press in from the wild. In some places, rangers gather in secretive orders or join forces with druidic circles. Many rangers, though, are independent almost to a fault, knowing that, when a dragon or a band of orcs attacks, a ranger might be the first—and possibly the last—line of defense.


This fierce independence makes rangers well suited to adventuring, since they are accustomed to life far from the comforts of a dry bed and a hot bath. Faced with city-bred adventurers who grouse and whine about the hardships of the wild, rangers respond with some mixture of amusement, frustration, and compassion. But they quickly learn that other adventurers who can carry their own weight in a fight against monstrous foes are worth any extra burden. Coddled city folk might not know how to feed themselves or find fresh water in the wild, but they make up for it in other ways.

Rangers are by lore on the civilzations side.
Many players don't roleplay this and run the opposite.


Ranger lore is more Dumedain Ranger or Night's Watch. Civilization's ward aginst wild monsters. Not nature's protector.
 

Rangers are by lore on the civilzations side.
Many players don't roleplay this and run the opposite.


Ranger lore is more Dumedain Ranger or Night's Watch. Civilization's ward aginst wild monsters. Not nature's protector.
What people play is what matters. 🤷‍♂️

Also, not a hint of dominating anything.
 


Do you think that there is exactly one body of natural knowledge and that a ranger is supposed to be a multi-class druid rather than someone involved in the natural world in a different way?

This seems like being surprised that a human is better at surviving in Alaska than a lion is. Lions are more in-tune with nature but that doesn't mean they're experts at everything.

Lions also can't change, and aren't very intelligent. Bad analogy is bad.

And, is there more than one body of natural knowledge? Sure. Why do rangers get to be best at tracking, foraging, herbology, toxicology, speaking with animals, speaking with plants, and general terrain knowledge while the druid... is worse at all those things and only gets to experience them through spells and shapeshifting? Honestly, with this spell-less ranger who can make healing poultices, poisons, speak with animals, track anything, forage for everything, and detect unnatural beings in natural settings... what is the druid doing better? Casting spells? Didn't someone earlier saying that casting spells is just waving your arms around like a drunken mime and has nothing to do with nature?

And yes, The Ranger is the Druid/Fighter, just like the Paladin is the Cleric/Fighter. The Ranger isn't some OTHER expression of being part of nature that is different than how a druid is part of nature. That doesn't make any logical sense. Druids have all of the same thematic weight as a class focused on the wilds and surviving in them. Far better than rangers, because again, Druids absolutely LIVE in the wilds, while Rangers... don't always.
 

Druids are one with nature.
Rangers tame, use, and dominate nature.

Different relationship.

No.

Nothing about the class says Rangers "dominate' nature any more than an evil druid who commands plants and animals. Nothing says Rangers use nature more than druids. Tame it? Druids classically have animal companions how is that not "taming"?

You've made up a difference that does not need to exist.
 

The actual point of the druid is shapeshifting and also being a cleric. It really has nothing to do with nature at all.

Then why are they not a cleric subclass? I know they used to be, but they aren't anymore, and there is an entirely new power source for them since 4e. What is all that pointing to if not them having something to do with nature?
 

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