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Wheel of Time Full Trailer is out *No Spoilers Please*

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
I think just about every fantasy trailer I've seen has looked "generic." I can't fault WoT for that.

In one of the books Elayne took a bath. That's all I can remember about it. But I'm hoping things go a lot quicker in the streaming series than they do in the books.

::Remembering the d20 version:: Be careful what you wish for!
I bought the d20 book... I mean they tried, but no I never used... I was thinking an Unreal Engine based product
 

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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I don’t see how the first example is fundamentally different than the second.
You don’t? Seriously?
People get introduced to things at different times. Some of them weren’t even alive when they were new.

They don’t deserve to experience the same wonder their predecessors did?
What’s “deserve” got to do with it? Do people not “deserve” to be able to fully discuss art in public spaces?

I mean, no one in this thread has gone full “telling me it’s exciting is a spoiler” about it, but the whole mindset is just really…stifling.
Not even in a thread specifically aimed at people who haven't seen it but might be contemplating doing so?
Why? Oh hey some of the main cast in Battlestar Gallactica are secretly robots, you guys! I mean come on.
I think that’s my approach. Talk about or allude to things without throwing open your overcoat and waving your third-season-finale-tallywacker in everyone’s face.
This really seems like an appropriate comparison, to you? Really!?

Talking about one of the most widely read fantasy series ever in an open manner is comperable to waving ones junk in strangers’ faces, to you? You don’t think that maybe the perspective is a bit off, there?
 

Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
What seems to be going on there, and with the focus of Moraine as the lead, is that they are trying to maintain the mystery, for those who haven't read the books, of exactly which of the Emonds Field characters is actually going to be the main character (and the baggage that comes with it)...

This is actually fair, if it's what they're going for. It's also something that the book did a terrible job of hiding.

"What, you mean the character with 75% of the POV chapters who is having weird visions is the Chosen One? What a shocking twist!"
 


Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
1. Rand al'Thor - 79.5%
2. Perrin Aybara - 12.5%
3. Nyneave al'Meara - 3.7%
4. Egwene al'Vere - 3.2%

And then Morraine and Lews Therin Telemon each get a chapter that rounds out the percentage.

I found a quote from the showrunner that says they are writing this first season with the whole series in mind, so they are definitely making sure to not make it the Rand show.

Huh, Nynaeve got POV in the first book? I didn't remember that, although she's easily the best female character in the series (at least early in the series). The dichotomy of being a bossy nanny who finds herself being bossed around quite suddenly is actually very fun, and she's one of the most assertive characters.

Tugs braid furiously!
 


Urriak Uruk

Debate fuels my Fire
I mean, it is one of the most widely read fantasy novel series ever. Still, I'm personally choosing to be circumspect about plot elements insofar as I can be, but it's not unreasonable to be fairly loose with plot elements to books that are older than the average D&D player.

I'd love to see a stat on how many start the series vs. read the whole thing. It starts of strong, and get progressively more writer indulgent. I couldn't finish it myself, even though I got like 7 books in.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Huh, Nynaeve got POV in the first book? I didn't remember that, although she's easily the best female character in the series (at least early in the series). The dichotomy of being a bossy nanny who finds herself being bossed around quite suddenly is actually very fun, and she's one of the most assertive characters.

Tugs braid furiously!
Yeah, not only did she get some chapters, the switch in tone was actually my first clue that, A. Jordan was a master of first person narrative, and B. Maybe Rand was an unreliable narrator (along with every other POV character).
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
I'd love to see a stat on how many start the series vs. read the whole thing. It starts of strong, and get progressively more writer indulgent. I couldn't finish it myself, even though I got like 7 books in.
The last books sold an awful lot of copies, though I'm sure the number who didn't finish is staggering.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
You don’t? Seriously?

What’s “deserve” got to do with it? Do people not “deserve” to be able to fully discuss art in public spaces?

I mean, no one in this thread has gone full “telling me it’s exciting is a spoiler” about it, but the whole mindset is just really…stifling.

Why? Oh hey some of the main cast in Battlestar Gallactica are secretly robots, you guys! I mean come on.

This really seems like an appropriate comparison, to you? Really!?

Talking about one of the most widely read fantasy series ever in an open manner is comperable to waving ones junk in strangers’ faces, to you? You don’t think that maybe the perspective is a bit off, there?
Sometimes the turn is important to the work.

For example, there is a classic novel whose final four words are (in my estimation) among the most potent four words in literature. They carry the weight of the whole novel. But only if you don’t see them coming.

I’d tell you what that book is, but I’m concerned that you might go around ruining it for people, since it isn’t a concern of yours. It’s a fairly old book, after all.
 

TheSword

Legend
What’s “deserve” got to do with it? Do people not “deserve” to be able to fully discuss art in public spaces?

I mean, no one in this thread has gone full “telling me it’s exciting is a spoiler” about it, but the whole mindset is just really…stifling.
You can have both, though. It’s possible for you to fully enjoy discussing something while warning people that what they are about to read may spoil surprises. There are some truly surprising twists in films, TV and books that are a pleasure to experience. Why would you want to stop people being able to enjoy that when there is an easy and simple solution. Give people the fair warning. 🤷🏻‍♂️
This really seems like an appropriate comparison, to you? Really!?

Talking about one of the most widely read fantasy series ever in an open manner is comperable to waving ones junk in strangers’ faces, to you? You don’t think that maybe the perspective is a bit off, there?
In so far as you’re taking away people choice not to see something in order to prioritize your own enjoyment in a very blatant and overt way. Then yes I think it’s a great comparison. Is it as serious? Of course not. But the principles the same.

I’m genuinely surprised at how unrepentant you are about spoilers. You always struck me as pretty empathic before. I can’t tell if you just woke up on the wrong side of the wrong side of the bed, or if you genuinely believe it’s cool to carelessly toss spoilers into an unrelated conversation for the fun of it/to assert yourself.
 
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TheSword

Legend
The last books sold an awful lot of copies, though I'm sure the number who didn't finish is staggering.
I don’t think that is a terrible problem per se. Each book does stand in its own right… aside from maybe some of the third quarter of them.

It’s a bit like being able to enjoy the first three seasons of West Wing and losing interest at seasons 4 and 5. It doesn’t stop the first three being great TV shows. If you stick with it though (not a terrible chore but I guess there is a lot of TV out there) you get to see how great seasons 6 and 7, and thus the whole series, ends.
 

This is actually fair, if it's what they're going for. It's also something that the book did a terrible job of hiding.

"What, you mean the character with 75% of the POV chapters who is having weird visions is the Chosen One? What a shocking twist!"
It would definitely be easier to do so in a TV series compared to a book that has POV narration (instead of complete omniscient 3rd person narrator). I'm guessing (if this is their plan), howerver, that at best it will be hidden in plain sight, but I'm also guessing there will be those who will miss the clues completely until the moment of the big reveal.
 

Azuresun

Adventurer
Talking about one of the most widely read fantasy series ever in an open manner is comperable to waving ones junk in strangers’ faces, to you? You don’t think that maybe the perspective is a bit off, there?

You know, with all the time you've spent furiously justifying spoilers, you could have gone back clicked "edit" and added [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] about fifty times over by now.
 


Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I like most of the casting, except for Perrin. The actor they got for Perrin isn't anywhere near big or muscular enough to represent what Perrin was in the books. Perrin had an 18/00 strength or better and was very broad.
 


Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Huh, Nynaeve got POV in the first book? I didn't remember that, although she's easily the best female character in the series (at least early in the series). The dichotomy of being a bossy nanny who finds herself being bossed around quite suddenly is actually very fun, and she's one of the most assertive characters.

Tugs braid furiously!
Moiraine was always my favorite. Nynaeve was second.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
I'd love to see a stat on how many start the series vs. read the whole thing. It starts of strong, and get progressively more writer indulgent. I couldn't finish it myself, even though I got like 7 books in.
That was the end or close to the end of where it bogged down. It becomes good again and that rises to very good when Sanderson takes over.
 

TheSword

Legend
In what book did Elaida enter the scene? I don't see her in the cast.
Elanda was in book one, the Caemlyn scenes. Though as Elayne isn’t cast in series one, I think this will be 20% of book one that gets pushed back to series two - which makes a lot of sense as it’s a whole slew of characters who are only in it for one chapter then we don’t see again for ages.

apparently series one will be 80% of book one, some of book two and then a couple of bits from book 3.
 

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