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Wheel of Time Full Trailer is out *No Spoilers Please*

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Elanda was in book one, the Caemlyn scenes. Though as Elayne isn’t cast in series one, I think this will be 20% of book one that gets pushed back to series two - which makes a lot of sense as it’s a whole slew of characters who are only in it for one chapter then we don’t see again for ages.

apparently series one will be 80% of book one, some of book two and then a couple of bits from book 3.
Basil Gil is, though, and I thought that the castle encounter happened at the same time. Hmm.
 

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doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
I’m genuinely surprised at how unrepentant you are about spoilers. You always struck me as pretty empathic before. I can’t tell if you just woke up on the wrong side of the wrong side of the bed, or if you genuinely believe it’s cool to carelessly toss spoilers into an unrelated conversation for the fun of it/to assert yourself.
“Unrepentant” requires that spoilers be ethically wrong. They aren’t. The assumed motivations here also assume things about the topic which I strongly disagree with.
You know, with all the time you've spent furiously justifying spoilers, you could have gone back clicked "edit" and added [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] about fifty times over by now.
I don’t have anything to put in spoiler tags. I wasn’t the person that spoiled a thing, starting this argument.
 

TheSword

Legend
Basil Gil is, though, and I thought that the castle encounter happened at the same time. Hmm.
It does. That’s also where Loial makes his entrance. So a pretty crucial piece. I think they may save Elayne for the white Tower. Not sure what bits they might pull forward. Plus there seems to be a whole Logain piece that looks to have been added.

There’s still lots to keep fans guessing.
 

TheSword

Legend
“Unrepentant” requires that spoilers be ethically wrong. They aren’t. The assumed motivations here also assume things about the topic which I strongly disagree with.
Not ethically wrong. Just selfish and rude.
I don’t have anything to put in spoiler tags. I wasn’t the person that spoiled a thing, starting this argument.
Well you did share spoilers for several things… Starwars, Battlestar Gallactica, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings... just not related to Wheel of Time. Hence my claim you doing it either to make a joke or make a point. I’m not sure why else you would have said those things? 🤷🏻‍♂️

@Gradine said it best. This all falls under that category of “don’t be a jerk.”
 

Marc_C

Solitary Role Playing
Quit on this after three books. Not enough good ideas. Too long winded. I have Prime so I'll look at it. Hopefully the series writers condensed everything into something more dynamic.
 

TheSword

Legend
Quit on this after three books. Not enough good ideas. Too long winded. I have Prime so I'll look at it. Hopefully the series writers condensed everything into something more dynamic.
14 books down into 7 seasons. I don’t see how they can not.

I reckon the first four or five books might be done over 3 seasons and then everything else over the rest as the first books are definitely more action packed.
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
14 books down into 7 seasons. I don’t see how they can not.

I reckon the first four or five books might be done over 3 seasons and then everything else over the rest as the first books are definitely more action packed.
Both ends of the series are. It's the middle that bogged down. More started happening a book or so before Sanderson took over and during his books.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Not ethically wrong. Just selfish and rude.
Same thing, afaic.
Well you did share spoilers for several things… Starwars, Battlestar Gallactica, Game of Thrones, Lord of the Rings... just not related to Wheel of Time. Hence my claim you doing it either to make a joke or make a point. I’m not sure why else you would have said those things? 🤷🏻‍♂️
“Make a point” and “assert yourself” are very different motivations.
@Gradine said it best. This all falls under that category of “don’t be a jerk.”
And I disagree.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
It's okay to be wrong.

People have asked there to be no spoilers. Continuing to spoil in spite of them = being a jerk.

And being a jerk sucks.
Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.
 

MarkB

Legend
Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.
Making an exception in a thread that was asking people new to the series to weigh in with their opinion would be reasonable though, would it not?
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.
There's a rather large difference between an enormously popular movie/t.v/toy/game franchise that his been front and center in society for decades, and a book series that would only really be known to many people who like reading fantasy books, a good percentage of whom never finished the series. They aren't even close to being in the same league.

My take on this discussion.

1. Not really a spoiler to talk about the Vader reveal.
2. It is a spoiler to talk about reveals in the Wheel of Time.
3. If people have asked in a non-spoiler thread not to have Wheel of Time reveals spoiled, it's kinda jerkish to continue to spoil things. You can start a spoiler thread to discuss the series in more detail.
 

TheSword

Legend
There's a rather large difference between an enormously popular movie/t.v/toy/game franchise that his been front and center in society for decades, and a book series that would only really be known to many people who like reading fantasy books, a good percentage of whom never finished the series. They aren't even close to being in the same league.

My take on this discussion.

1. Not really a spoiler to talk about the Vader reveal.
2. It is a spoiler to talk about reveals in the Wheel of Time.
3. If people have asked in a non-spoiler thread not to have Wheel of Time reveals spoiled, it's kinda jerkish to continue to spoil things. You can start a spoiler thread to discuss the series in more detail.
Happy to enjoy a spoiler thread elsewhere. I love talking about Wheel of Time. If people hadn’t noticed. 😅🙄

There is a lot to be said about the many moments of awesome in WOT and how they might be adapted to the screen.
 
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Gradine

Final Form (they/them)
Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.
Except that there's a new adaptation of it that is attempting to bring new people to the property, and this is a thread about that adaptation, where people are talking about how they've never read/finished the books but are interested in the show, and those same people are demonstrating they are upset at unmarked spoilers in this thread.

You are on the wrong side of this.
 

Rune

Once A Fool
Not every ask is reasonable. Someone referred to me talking about Vader’s reveal in Empire as a spoiler! That is completely out of alignment with reality. It’s a nearly 50 year old movie!

For my rebuttal to this ridiculously untenable stance, see my previous posts.

WoT isn’t quite that venerable, sure, but it ain’t new and it’s one of the most critically acclaimed and widely read fantasy properties out there. Discussing it without worrying about spoilers is normal social behavior.
My rule of thumb is simple:

Willfully ignoring people’s desire not to be caused distress by your actions toward them is profoundly disrespectful. (As are all forms of social domination.) Because, you see, you’re taking away their agency in the matter. Defaulting to disrespect might be normal social behavior, but it sure isn’t right. Morally speaking.

I mean, I personally don’t like using the ignore function on these boards because I believe everyone who engages in sincere discussion has something to say that is worth listening to. And the ignore feature kind of throws the baby out with the bathwater.

But if your stance is effectively, “People who don’t want old things spoiled should go out of their way to make sure they can’t see my posts,” I guess I’d have to recommend that they do just that.

Unfortunately, given the cavalierly casual penchant you’ve displayed for throwing spoilers around without warning, the damage is likely to be done before they know to do so.
 

TheSword

Legend
In fairness to @doctorbadwolf I’m making a stink about it but have read the books 7 times over.

That said, I created the thread to discuss with people who hadn’t read the books or had only read part to see how they reacted to the trailer. So I think everything you said still stands.
 

Parmandur

Book-Friend
Elanda was in book one, the Caemlyn scenes. Though as Elayne isn’t cast in series one, I think this will be 20% of book one that gets pushed back to series two - which makes a lot of sense as it’s a whole slew of characters who are only in it for one chapter then we don’t see again for ages.

apparently series one will be 80% of book one, some of book two and then a couple of bits from book 3.
Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.
 


TheSword

Legend
Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.
The fan response in the YouTube [Edit] comments has been overwhelmingly positive, which pleasantly surprised me for such a established series. The lone voices complaining about diversity (in 2021 🙄) are overwhelmed by a wave of optimism.

[Edit. I meant YouTube… Twitter is the cesspit it usually is!]
 
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Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
Yeah, there's some creative restructuring going on...but it seems very smart and well thought out from a position of understanding, so I'm on board.
Yeah. If Basil and Loial are present, but Elayne and Elaida are not, something is significantly different. The encounter with Elaida was pretty significant, too.

I'm still going to watch it. A guy I played D&D with for many years helped make this series happen, so even if I didn't want to watch it(and I do), I'd watch it in support.
 

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