When does CN become CE?

[Mallus]

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Why would God's bother with portfolios if they gain nothing from them.

Mine don't {I don't play FR}.

It depends on the nature of divinity in your game world. What are the gods? I've run worlds with warring monotheistic religions whose Gods where thought of as the creators of well, creation, and others where the gods were just super-advanced near immortals whose godhood was nothing but power over the material world and whose ethos was essentially whim or personality quirk. In my current campaign, most of the gods are like pop-culture influenced Greek myth figures.

My deities have areas of influence, communities of worshippers, likes and dislikes, etc, not porfolio's. In general they're not responsible for upholding the laws of the universe; they only have certain powers over them... and certain conditions under which they will share said powers...

And I stand by why question of how far to take it. Does every late PC run the risk of angering the God of Punctuality {and not just their signifigant others??}.

 

[Magius del Cotto]

Without knowing anything beyond what we've been told, I'd say he's probably evil at this point. Does he seem to enjoy the killing, or is it more of a task that he feels is unpleasant but needed? Does he kill every prisonor, or just a select few? Is he trying to eliminate a potential threat? I'd say, from what little info we have, peg him with the level loss, and tell the player to either shape up and stop "disturbing" the other players, or to officially change his character's allignment to CE. Might be a bit extreme, though...

 

[La Bete]

it depends...

I often define CN as "chaotic ###-hole". Generally speaking, they're unpleasant sob's to be around, becuase they dont really give much of a damn about other people. Where the line between CN and CE varies according to GM and situation, but generally CE people will commit unpleasant acts when there is no good reason to, or will commit acts that turn the CE barbarian pale.

in this case:

if the prisoners were just poor shmucks (say caravan guards) doing there jobs, and there would be no major problems letting them go, and the CE ba-ba spent a while decorating a tree with their entrails, then yes, most likely CE.

On the other hand, if the prisoners were scum beyond scum, and letting them go would cause major hassles for the character, and result in people after him for years, then killing them is (probably) CN.

my $NZ 0.5

 

[Mapleaxe]

Thanks for the responses, everyone.

Basicly, the character is not killing because he's particularly bloodthirsty or cruel. He'd just rather not deal with prisoners. To date he hasn't killed any good or neutral prisoners, just lowlifes (goblins mostly). Also, at least once, the group has let someone live only to have that person come back at them later and cause problems, so he's probably being pretty practical.

In retrospect, I think that the character is being reasonably CN, but if he starts getting cruel or bloodthirsty with his killings, I'll start considering him CE and treating him as such.

Thanks again.

 

[JacktheRabbit]

Interesting. I would like to point out that murdering someone is far different from executing a prisoner.

Thanks for the responses, everyone.

Basicly, the character is not killing because he's particularly bloodthirsty or cruel. He'd just rather not deal with prisoners. To date he hasn't killed any good or neutral prisoners, just lowlifes (goblins mostly). Also, at least once, the group has let someone live only to have that person come back at them later and cause problems, so he's probably being pretty practical.

In retrospect, I think that the character is being reasonably CN, but if he starts getting cruel or bloodthirsty with his killings, I'll start considering him CE and treating him as such.

Thanks again.

 

[Nifft]

Chaotic = Freedom-Loving, not Insane

CG: I love freedom, so I will help you all gain freedom!

CN: I love freedom, so I will fight those who would oppress me!

CE: I love freedom, so I will gain enough strength that I can do whatever I want!


Executing prisoners isn't murder, especially if those prisoners had previously sought the party's death.

-- Nifft