Crimson Longinus
Legend
It's barbarian, except defender. In 4e each class had to have a defined mechanical role, so grid filling lead to duplicating existing concepts in different role. This is really not a thing in 5e.
D&D General Which of these should be core classes for D&D?
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jmartkdr2
Hero
I think "barbarian, but with elementally-themed shapechanging instead of rage." So you'd take on Oak Form, which is a big defensive buff, about as often as a barbarian can rage. There were many forms you could learn, with different bonuses, but the class overall was rather tanky.
As @Crimson Longinus points out, 4e had a bit of a grid-filling problem. Warden doesn't need to be it's own class, it could work just fine as a barbarian subclass or even just some totem options for the totem subclass.
Which loops back to my previous answer - the concept of sword + magic is broad enough to fit multiple boxes if you want, and "half-caster tank" immediately looked like a swordmage to me. (4e swordmages were Defenders, after all.)
Frozen_Heart
Hero
It's basically got amazing saves, great AC, and passive ability to make enemies struggle to move by making difficult terrain around itself. Enemies end up 'stuck' to it in melee.
I think the primeval guardian ranger subclass from UA was loosely based on the warden. As it was an insanely good tank: https://media.wizards.com/2016/dnd/downloads/2017_01_UA_RangerRogue_0117JCMM.pdf
Frozen_Heart
Hero
In 5e we got a warden subclass for ranger... Which got cancelled.
It's a trend in 5e which really frustrates me. Previous full classes don't even get to exist as a subclass anymore.
Isn't it the only one? What other previous edition classes don't exist in some form in 5E?
Cavalier, Acrobat, and Assassin are subclasses somewhere? (Saw the cartoon again last week for the first two, honest question as I am not up on 5e subclasses).
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Crimson Longinus
Legend
Cavalier is a subclass of the fighter and assassin is a subclass of the rogue.
Right but the claim was that there are multiple classic D&D classes that "aren't even subclasses" and I am pretty sure the Warden (Warlord? I forget) is the only one since we got the artificer.
Psion, I guess.
Tonguez
A suffusion of yellow
Harlot?
Jester?
Houri?
actually seriously is there a Theif-Acrobat subclass anywhere?
and does anyone else want a Druid that is actually Tree based instead of Animal?
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I kinda always thought that some game could do their weapon user classes based on the fantasy socioeconomic classes.
Nobility- Swashbuckler Class- Nobility who learn self defense from tutors for non-battlefield combat. Heavily focused on staying alive and single kill strikes.
Military- Knight Class- Professional warriors of an official warrior culture who make up groups of honorable special combat forces. Role focuses on what their culture sees as special or honorable.
Peasant- Fighter Class- Impromptu, hired, or drafted soldiers who lean on physicality and have a wide array of combat styles.
Outsider- Barbarian Class- Warrior of cultures who tap into the primal world to make up for their limited access to the latest weapons and armor technology.
Nobility- Swashbuckler Class- Nobility who learn self defense from tutors for non-battlefield combat. Heavily focused on staying alive and single kill strikes.
Military- Knight Class- Professional warriors of an official warrior culture who make up groups of honorable special combat forces. Role focuses on what their culture sees as special or honorable.
Peasant- Fighter Class- Impromptu, hired, or drafted soldiers who lean on physicality and have a wide array of combat styles.
Outsider- Barbarian Class- Warrior of cultures who tap into the primal world to make up for their limited access to the latest weapons and armor technology.
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