Whirtlestaff's Wizards' Academy Revisited, OOC01

[renau1g]

Hmmm...... well I can't say I agree with you 100% on the edition argument (and don't wish to start that debate here ), but I always wondered why the CLW showed up on the Arcane spell list in the DMG.

 

[Leif]

Yep, that was where I first noticed it, too: on the list of arcane scrolls in the DMG. I thought, COOL, my wizard can cast cures now! No such luck.

 

[KerlanRayne]

For example: Arcane casters get more of the cool spells, and Divine casters get more of the restorative spells. But what about Bards? They are, nominally at least, arcane casters, and yet they have access to cure spells. This raises the question, in my mind at least, why, since Bards have obviously perfected an arcane Cure Light Wounds (for example), couldn't wizards do likewise? Gee, if only I knew of a group of wizards to do some research into this problem.......

And another thing: If you find an arcane scroll or arcane wand of Cure Light, your Wizard supposedly can't use it (unless he uses the "Use Magic Item" skill) because the spell doesn't appear on his class spell list. How cruddy! But most bards don't have spare feats to waste on item creation stuff. Also very weird. (But NOT weird enough to make me like 4ed!)

A Wizard and a Bard can work together to make wand of Arcane Cure Light Wounds. The Bard could provide the spell and the Wizard could provide the feat.

We can get items to help with curing. A Healing Belt from the MIC for 750 gp, an Eternal Wand of Cure Light Wounds from the MIC for 820 gp, and a Magic Bedroll from the MIC which doubles healing while you sleep for 500 gp. These items are in my future plans for Kerlan.

There are other options as well. Wizards can use the Arcan Disciple feat to add the Healing doman to their spell list, but they can only use each spell once a day. This will let them make and use cure Wands and Scrolls however. We could also buy a wand of Lesser Vigor for 750 gp. It would get us 11 hp of healing for each charge. It's usable by a Druid so we're good to go. An Amulet of Retributive Healing from the MIC for 2,000 gp will heal the wearer for the same amount of HP that they heal on someone else 3/day. If they use ant spell, ability or item to heal, say 15 hp, they get healed that same amount, 3/day.

By the way, can we combine magic items? Maybe even Crus can give us a little insight into how it can be done, while we do all the actual work of course.

 

[Leif]

Interesting stuff, Kerlan. These are all possibilities.

About the combining of Wizard and Bardic magic to make a cure wand -- hmmm, guess you'll just have to try and see, won't you?

I recommend doing some exensive research before you spend much gold and xp, though. But you already know a bard that you might be able to interest in the project, don't you?

 

[Scott DeWar]

This raises the question, in my mind at least, why, since Bards have obviously perfected an arcane Cure Light Wounds (for example), couldn't wizards do likewise? Gee, if only I knew of a group of wizards to do some research into this problem.......

And another thing: If you find an arcane scroll or arcane wand of Cure Light, your Wizard supposedly can't use it (unless he uses the "Use Magic Item" skill) because the spell doesn't appear on his class spell list. How cruddy! But most bards don't have spare feats to waste on item creation stuff. Also very weird. (But NOT weird enough to make me like 4ed!)

just for the record, i have been runnign a pathfinder ogl alpha release 3 game and like it very very much. what i like most is that it is free. secondly is the fact that it is convetable to and from 3.5. i have moral objections to 4.0.

as for the research thing, i think that would require gold pieces, right?

 

[Leif]

just for the record, i have been runnign a pathfinder ogl alpha release 3 game and like it very very much. what i like most is that it is free. secondly is the fact that it is convetable to and from 3.5. i have moral objections to 4.0.
as for the research thing, i think that would require gold pieces, right?

Presumably, yes, it would.
What, exactly, are your moral objections to 4.0? I need another reason to dislike it!

 

[KerlanRayne]

But you already know a bard that you might be able to interest in the project, don't you?

Uhh, I do? Who?

By the way, can we combine magic items? Maybe even Crus can give us a little insight into how it can be done, while we do all the actual work of course.

What about this? Would it require research? How much would it cost? The MIC lets you combine items with a +50% cost added to the less expensive item. For example, combining two different magic bedrolls, or two different amulets. Would that +50% include the research cost or would it be on top of that?

 

[Scott DeWar]

Presumably, yes, it would.
What, exactly, are your moral objections to 4.0? I need another reason to dislike it!

Danger! edition flame warning! do not read if you will be offened!
[sblock=flame on!]i believe in capitalism. not greed, capitalism. 4.0 was greed. 3.5 was too, but i had to capitulate to continue gaming with humans. the problem was that 3.5 needs fixing and not replacing. 4.0 was a replacement to sell new books for a new version that could have done just as good if it had been a forward and reverse compatable gaming system, like pathfinder is. further more the control freaks at wotc decided to make things difficult and sel the 4.0 ogl at a rather prohibitive price and discontinue the piazo contract just because they wanted it all. now they will get none of my money. if they had not been so greedy maybe i would have eventually went 4.0. now, i will forever resist them, verbally and electronically.
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[Leif]

Uhh, I do? Who? What about this? Would it require research? How much would it cost? The MIC lets you combine items with a +50% cost added to the less expensive item. For example, combining two different magic bedrolls, or two different amulets. Would that +50% include the research cost or would it be on top of that?

I think it was Max that made more of an impression on the bard back in Boris Stenker's Lonesome Drake Inn in Pembrose. As best I recall, his name is Elwynn.

If the rules for this are already set in an approved book, like MIC, then you already have your answer, don't you? Research should only be necessary for truly novel and untried things. If there's already a price set in a published source, then that is a pretty good indication that it's been done before, and someone from Whirtlestaffs just probably had a hand in it, too.

 

[Leif]

Danger! edition flame warning! do not read if you will be offened!
[sblock=flame on!]i believe in capitalism. not greed, capitalism. 4.0 was greed. 3.5 was too, but i had to capitulate to continue gaming with humans. the problem was that 3.5 needs fixing and not replacing. 4.0 was a replacement to sell new books for a new version that could have done just as good if it had been a forward and reverse compatable gaming system, like pathfinder is. further more the control freaks at wotc decided to make things difficult and sel the 4.0 ogl at a rather prohibitive price and discontinue the piazo contract just because they wanted it all. now they will get none of my money. if they had not been so greedy maybe i would have eventually went 4.0. now, i will forever resist them, verbally and electronically.
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[sblock=happy smoldering]Thank you for putting into words my unspoken fears! I wonder how much all of this was because of WotC being bought out by Milton Bradley, if it was at all?[/sblock]

[sblock=WotC Flame Warning]It's going to be funny watching WotC commit corporate suicide over the next ten years or so. There has been, and is, such a backlash over 4Ed, and before that, WotC was the pretty much undisputed Champeen of the RPG industry. Now, they have sown the seeds of the opening up of the market to new cotenders. Perhaps this is all just a part of their cunning plan to spur the industry to reach new heights of profit and price through more robust competition? I dunno, maybe not...[/sblock]