D&D (2024) Why aren't Angels concidered a type of Empryeans?

[dave2008]

Anyone else uncertain about what the difference low wise is between Empyreans and Angels is?

Angels in 5e 2014 were made from a God's own Astral Essence, basically made/spawned by Gods.

2025 Empyreans are beings spawned by God's via various means.

Why aren't Angels considered Empyreans?

Is it because they don't have a fiends option?

While I'm at it they should have made a point that an Empyrean Iota with worship or another influx of power could become an Empyrean.

Also anyone else find it interesting that Empyreans instead of just being a single type of creature has become a family of related Planar species like Demons, Angels, Yugoloths, Angels, Eladarin, Guardinals, Archons, Devils, Slaads, Tulani, Sworrowsworn, Modrons, Genies, Demodands, and Devils?

I also find it interesting that they are the first universal Planar species.

And I'm glad they followed my suggestion that Empyreans be able to be either fiends or celestials.

It would have helped if you had posted the new lore for the Empyreans. I might want to join this conversation, but I am not interested in searching for the new lore at the moment.

 

[MechaTarrasque]

It would also be a strange choice for something called an "angel," considering angel means messenger or emissary.

If the Planar Incarnate is any indication, sometimes the planes can be pretty interested in sending messages.

 

[Misanthrope Prime]

It would have helped if you had posted the new lore for the Empyreans. I might want to join this conversation, but I am not interested in searching for the new lore at the moment.

They have. There's not much. Empyreans are literally just "the divine creations of gods". Examples given include their direct blood progeny, their thoughts made real, or lifelike mechanical creations made by the hands of god.

 

[JEB]

It would have helped if you had posted the new lore for the Empyreans. I might want to join this conversation, but I am not interested in searching for the new lore at the moment.

I believe they're referring to the lore from the Empyrean preview.

 

[Parmandur]

Angels and Empyreans have different CRs, and undoubtedly different stat block abilities. Lore overlap isn't that big a deal, look at the multitude of Fiends. A Titan Demi-God is a different concept than an Angel, too.

 

[Tonguez]

Angels and Empyreans have different CRs, and undoubtedly different stat block abilities. Lore overlap isn't that big a deal, look at the multitude of Fiends. A Titan Demi-God is a different concept than an Angel, too.

Thats no longer Empyrean lore. Now Empyreans can range in power from Influential demigods to mere 'divine thoughts', Angels as created divine messengers fit well with the new Empyrean lore

 

[MonsterEnvy]

Yeah but we don’t have the new Angel lore yet, this was too preemptive.

 

[Parmandur]

Thats no longer Empyrean lore. Now Empyreans can range in power from Influential demigods to mere 'divine thoughts', Angels as created divine messengers fit well with the new Empyrean lore

Right, but lore overlap isn't a major problem, since they are different CR Monsters with different stat blocks. Maybe in a given Settinf, Empyerans are juat certain powerful Angel's, or Angels are lesser demi-gods. Doesn't much matter.

 

[dave2008]

I believe they're referring to the lore from the Empyrean preview.

Yes, I know that. It no fun to go looking for it. I, of course, did though.

 

[dave2008]

They have. There's not much. Empyreans are literally just "the divine creations of gods". Examples given include their direct blood progeny, their thoughts made real, or lifelike mechanical creations made by the hands of god.

I know they have, that is why I suggested they post it. If your going to talk about something it is helpful to have that something right in front of you. That's all. It was a suggesting to help the conversation that is all.