D&D (2024) Why aren't you using 5e 2024?

[SteveC]

It's not even out yet. And while it does things like make the Monk a playable class, and give fighters a way to get extra attacks or Advantage on attacks, what exactly is it doing better? Some spells are cleaned up but some are also unbalanced.

And when I look at games like Fabula Ultima or Blades in the Dark (with the new supplement) I get excited to play. Nothing in 5.5E has me excited. Our next 5E game will probably use the new rules but I guess I don't really care.

 

[Blue]

WOW the wording on those options was heavily biased towards 2024.

Okay, here's my answers when you make the questions more neutral instead of pushing an agenda.

"Because 5e has been garbage, and is a lost cause" becomes "Because after 10+ years of enjoying 5e, there are some fundamental cracks that have shown up that impedes further enjoyment, like poor handling of high level characters, or bad designer calibration on number-of-encounters-per-day needed to balance between casters and non-casters".

"Because nothing can be better than 2014 5e" phrases it so absolutely. It can't even envision a table deciding, "let's finish our current campaign in the same ruleset" or "let's wait for all the books to come out" or even "let's wait for the errata to drop".

"Because I'm old, and don't handle change well" I didn't pick, but it should be obvious how the wording there is biased.

"Because WOTC/Hasbro is mean to X"... ah, "mean". Making it a personal "I don't like you" as opposed to factual matters like the OGL debacle, including trying to lock in 3pp secretly under NDA before it and then lying to the customer and saying it didn't happen. And a host of other documented, factual things, all dismissed and it's just "being mean".

"Because D&D isn't as good as ____" isn't as badly biased, it's just ignorant. I play a bunch of different RPGs, because they have different feels, handle different genres well, and the like. You are not limited to playing only a single RPG, one you thing is "the best at everything in every situation". Heck, you might want change just for change sake and play a different fantasy genre game just because it's been a decade and you want variety. But I wouldn't expect that from the same person who puts up "I'm old and afraid of change" options.

"It's complicated, but I will be happy to explain in a long, judgemental post." -- ah, anything you didn't think to include you're already dismissing. BTW, this isn't a long judgemental post about D&D 2024. it's a long judgemental post calling out how you are pushing an agenda in your poll options.

Oh, and a few others:

"None of my tables are switching."
"Seems like a good time to try another genre."
"WotC's handling of the OGL brought out a host of new games designed to scratch the same itch, and we want to try those and determine which is best for our table."
And closely related to that: "Something cool just came out and we want to give it a try to see how it is" (which is healthy exploration of new games, not "D&D isn't as good as")

From your personal attacks in your original post, we shouldn't expect any different. And then lampshade it saying to remember about the rules against personal attacks right after breaking them.

 

[CellarHeroes]

I just don't do Revisions or Half-Editions. I feel like they should just be Player Options and DM Options books.
5e(2014) does exactly what I want it to do for the games I choose to run 5e.

 

[Umbran]

Let the vitriol spew like the breath of your favorite black dragon, but remember to follow rules about decorum and personal attacks.

Mod Note:
A little late to the party, but just to be clear: Board rules always apply. That the OP asks for vitriol does not relax the rules.

 

[Arilyn]

When we play F20 games, we vastly prefer Level Up or OSE and can't wait for Dolmenwood to be released physically.

I find reading 2024 grating. In my mind I'm reaching for a red editing pen, not to fix the grammar, but to untangle some of the sentences and vastly reduce the jargon. The conditions could be bolded to make it obvious they're game terms.

The pendulum has definitely shifted to rules over rulings. Yes, of course, you can house rule but the writing has lost all semblance of that DIY flavour. It reads like WotC wants to nail down every little rule.

Flavour and role playing is draining away. The traits, bonds, etc. have some issues in 2014 but they did really help flesh out your character. We have short tables in 2024, which have adjectives linked to high or low stats. I can't imagine that even new players will need help realizing a high Str.score could be described as burly.

Removing the background customization option in a game that's all about imagination is baffling. I know it's in the DMG, but it's written for DMs to design and present as options for players.

I hate the temporary growth of Goliaths and temporary dragonborn wings. Where is that coming from? Too gamey and I can be tolerant of game conceits.

It is a small thing that I read that finalized my decision. I was skimming the item section and there it was--the book telling me I can take the utilize object action to tie a knot in string.

Hey, this does feel good @Micah Sweet.

 

[Vaalingrade]

Didn't like 5e the first time and not enough was changed to make that better.

 

[tetrasodium]

I refuse to humor those poll options with a checkbox and voted to salt the results with a check for all but one

We only have two of the three books needed, it's telling that the biggest support for 2024 seems to come from players who think that should just be ignored & we should all rush out to buy the books asap. Given what I've seen from wotc's hype & the books themselves☆ I don't have high hopes for the '24 MM addressing or even acknowledging enough 2014's problems to draw me in.

☆ read a '24 phb, flipped through a '24dmg

 

[Cadence]

Waiting for a later printing that has had time for the initial errata be incorporated into what I'm paying for... (which might already have happened for the PHB, but I've been too buried to check).

 

[Yaarel]

But anyway, as just for the "going E6 route", that helps but for myself I'd be all for slowing things down and "expanding" the first 6-7 levels over 11-12 levels, giving HD at each level, but without the CON bonus, and still using creatures as if playing with normal level advancement.

Can you do something like, on odd levels, advance to the next level, but on even levels take the hitdie instead?

 

[Corinnguard]

I hate the temporary growth of Goliaths and temporary dragonborn wings. Where is that coming from? Too gamey and I can be tolerant of game conceits.

Temporary Dragonborn Wings made of the same energy as their breath weapon. If you have wings made of the same energy as your breath weapon, you should be given a chance to wing slap somebody next to you.