Why do so many people hate Voyager?

[Eternalknight]

I like Enterprise. I am not a trekkie, but the show is good. The final episode of season 1 has left me intrigued:

SPOLIER WARNING























who, or what, could destroy Earth?

 

[drowdude]

how anti-climatic...

 

[Welverin]

Err.. wrong, TNG made the Borg dumb. First Contact made that a tradition, and Voyager put the final nail in the coffin to them being a joke.

FD

Well I consider the stupidity to have started when the borg could just inject people with nano machines to transform them, which first appeared in First Contact. If it wasn't for FC then 7 of 9 wouldn't have been able to save the day every other episode.

Where do you think they started down the path of stupidity?

 

[Furn_Darkside]

Where do you think they started down the path of stupidity?

The two part episode in TNG that had Lore taking over the Borg.

I have blocked out most of that monstrosity from my memory- so i can not offer any details.

Or perhaps the episode where they find a borg and make the borg their friend.. awww...

FD

 

[Umbran]

Originally, it was stated that the Borg do not care about or assimilate individuals, that they deal with whole cultures. TheBorg went awry when they veered away from that statement.

 

[Welverin]

The two part episode in TNG that had Lore taking over the Borg.

I have blocked out most of that monstrosity from my memory- so i can not offer any details.

Or perhaps the episode where they find a borg and make the borg their friend.. awww...

FD

Ah, ok. Though I think the ones Lore took over were cut off from the collective some how, but I may not be remembering so well myself.

 

[Staffan]

Ah, ok. Though I think the ones Lore took over were cut off from the collective some how, but I may not be remembering so well myself.

As I recall, you're right. Lore's borgs are actually one of the few good examples of continuity in Star Trek. The start was in the "I, Borg" episode someone mentioned, where the crew finds a borg who has been removed from the collective. While they are working on a method to use him to spread a "mental virus" to the rest of the Borg, the crew become friends with him and he develops individuality. In the end, they decide not to use the mental virus and hope that "Hugh's" individuality will "infect" the Borg instead.

In "Descent", the two-parter with Lore and the Borg, we learn that part of Hugh's collective *were* affected by his individuality - and were shattered as a result. Lore came along and gave them a purpose.

 

[Dahak]

I don't hate the show, but it definitely has a "diluted" feel that the other shows didn't. Alot of that comes from the fact that several of the cast members were really not into it, and their performances seemed forced.

 

[Staffan]

Another problem with the show was that they cut themselves off from the events and people of the Alpha Quadrant. That meant they couldn't use klingons, romulans, vulcans, cardassians, bajorans, betazoids, and so on (at least not on a regular basis - the Caretaker *did* capture more than one ship, after all). That might not have been so bad, if they had come up with new aliens that were actually interesting - instead we got kazon, vidiians and hirogen as the only new aliens (the borg don't qualify as "new") I can recall that they met more than once or twice. Bah.

Also, the nature of the show prevented them from reusing most of the aliens. Voyager was constantly on the move, so the only races they might meet more than once or twice would be scattered ones, and those usually aren't as fun as organized aliens with cohesive territories.

 

[Tsyr]

What don't I like about Voyager?

Hoooboy. I'll keep it short to focus on some of my "core" problems.

1) Janeway. Why has the crew not launched her out of a photon torpedo tube by now? How many chances to get home has she blown because of her "We represent the federation wherever we go." speach? Yet, whenever a way to get home is NOT at steak, damn the prime directive, meddle all you like! How many times did she recklessly and needlessly endanger the entire ship? How many times did she do something so un-captainish that she would have picard turning in his grave (if he was dead)?

2) Seven of Nine. Someone else had it right... the show turned into the Seven of Nine show... at least in the first couple seasons of TNG, Wesley didn't save the ship EVERY episode, just every 2-3... And how the heck many times did she violate the captains direct orders and never get more than a stern talking to?

3) Neelix. Ok, so they tried to replace Guinan (SP?) from TNG. Sure, I'm cool with that. But Neelix was just irritating.

4) Lack of Continuity. Another one many have mentioned. An as-yet un-mentioned example: The crew is on replicator rations, right? Things are tight and all? So why in the heck does the holodeck seem to get 24/7 use? For gods sake, for a while they had a program running 24/7 for a really long time... ONE PROGRAM!

5) The Doctor. I'm sorry, he's no Data. Not by a long shot. Data had character. The doc is a character. If you follow. Data was... believeable, for what he was. The doc is just... flat.

5b) Another point about this. What was the inital estimate for getting home? 60 or 70 years? And what is the estimate when you figure they spend better than 50% of their time orbiting some planet or studying some stellar phenomenon?

6) We are shown the "might" of the borg empire. *shudder* Yet one lone, under-crewed ship lightyears from re-enforcements continues to be a thorn in their side.

6b) For that matter, we see that between the borg and earth there are hundreds, if not THOUSANDS of civilzations... the borg just seem holed up in one nebula. I always envisioned (based on guinans descriptions, and the few sensor readings data took when they were in borg space in TNG) that the entire quadrant the borg where in was just wasteland. Why are they even BOTHERING with earth yet?

Don't even get me started with First Contact or Enterprise...