Why is WotC trying to kill my FLGS?

You're right, they end up selling for more than 50% greater than amazon. For example, martial power on amazon right now is 19.07. So a game store is selling it for ~57% more. But then factor in taxes (of say 6%) and the game store is selling for a 66% markup over amazon.
You're misusing the term markup. Markup is the amount of a retailer's selling price that represents overhead and profit to the retailer.

Amazon marks up its books, or else it cannot make any money. LGSs just have to mark them up more, because their overhead is spread over an extremely small number of products compared to Amazon.

The sales tax issue is tricky, and disadvantageous to B&M stores. Presumably the sales tax you're referring to is a state tax rather than federal, or else Amazon would be required to collect it from US residents. In Canada we have a federal sales tax of 5%. Things purchased from the US are charged this tax (plus a $5 handling fee!), if your package happens to be chosen for random inspection at the border. So you generally avoid the sales tax if you order from Amazon, but not necessarily. You'll always avoid the provincial sales tax, but that $5 fee can hurt when your item is only worth $20.
 

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You're misusing the term markup. Markup is the amount of a retailer's selling price that represents overhead and profit to the retailer.

Amazon marks up its books, or else it cannot make any money. LGSs just have to mark them up more, because their overhead is spread over an extremely small number of products compared to Amazon.

The sales tax issue is tricky, and disadvantageous to B&M stores. Presumably the sales tax you're referring to is a state tax rather than federal, or else Amazon would be required to collect it from US residents. In Canada we have a federal sales tax of 5%. Things purchased from the US are charged this tax (plus a $5 handling fee!), if your package happens to be chosen for random inspection at the border. So you generally avoid the sales tax if you order from Amazon, but not necessarily. You'll always avoid the provincial sales tax, but that $5 fee can hurt when your item is only worth $20.

taxes: For the states, amazon does not charge sales taxes (except for new york), but of course LGS do. And since the sales tax is a function of the state, county and city, it varies, but 6% is more or less normal.

As for markup, yeah, its technically incorrect. Regardless, I would pay ~ 75% more to buy a product locally. In general, I don't gain anything by purchasing locally either.
 

Just one small correction here. Its easy to see the business Amazon is now and forget that for several years after its inception Amazon continuously lost money. Many touted it as the reality that the online store model couldn't work.

It wasn't for several years after its inception that it started reaping before mentioned swath.

Whether Amazon made money or not doesn't impact the fact that Amazon has been undercutting bookstores for years and has driven many out of business. If I've got the capital backing (which Amazon did and does), I can drop the price of my widget to 20-35% below my competition with an eye toward the long-term. The local mom and pop stores don't have that luxury. They need to maintain some level of profitability in order to survive.

Even if the naysayers were right and Amazon's business model wasn't viable, they still would have put many, many stores out of business by virtue of undercutting their competitors prices.
 

You're right, they end up selling for more than 50% greater than amazon. For example, martial power on amazon right now is 19.07. So a game store is selling it for ~57% more. But then factor in taxes (of say 6%) and the game store is selling for a 66% markup over amazon.

And note that once amazon figures out that you like gaming books, it'll often give you an extra 5% off in its deal of the day, which means that I would have paid 75% more to have purchased martial power from my LGS over amazon.

You're misusing the term markup. Markup is the amount of a retailer's selling price that represents overhead and profit to the retailer.

Amazon marks up its books, or else it cannot make any money. LGSs just have to mark them up more, because their overhead is spread over an extremely small number of products compared to Amazon.

The sales tax issue is tricky, and disadvantageous to B&M stores. Presumably the sales tax you're referring to is a state tax rather than federal, or else Amazon would be required to collect it from US residents. In Canada we have a federal sales tax of 5%. Things purchased from the US are charged this tax (plus a $5 handling fee!), if your package happens to be chosen for random inspection at the border. So you generally avoid the sales tax if you order from Amazon, but not necessarily. You'll always avoid the provincial sales tax, but that $5 fee can hurt when your item is only worth $20.

What he said. Crap we agreed on something! :eek:

LGS are not selling for more than amazon. LGS are your baseline and are selling close to MSRP, it is jsut that amazon can afford to sell for much less and still make a profit.

Don't blame the LGS for high prices, blame the manufacture if that is your point because amazon has nothing to do with MSRP between the manufacturer and the LGS.

Because CCG players and their money are soon parted. Between games, CCG players are far more likely to pick up more CCG cards. Whether trying to get trade-bait, hoping to make their deck better after a crippling loss or just impulse buying, the CCG players swiftly fritter away the $5 per hit for their drug of choice.

RPG players probably already have their books. Impulse buys can happen, but those won't be generated by Competitiveness or Collectability. And that is ‘if’ the store has any of the books for that edition of the game in at the time. Also you may have RPG players looking up rules in the books rather than buying them to bring to a home game. And I’d suspect sometimes impulse buys are even averted by since the DM can give the Yes or No answer right there in the store before the book is bought.

Also CCG players drift from game to game, often with time to do some shopping between games or pop out to go for a burger. RPG players might take ‘a’ break, but generally will be at the table for hours, wanting to bring in food, wanting to befoul your bathroom and wanting you to stay open past closing.

So you are prejudice against RPG players in stores because they stick around longer than a CCG player? CCG players often are around more and cause more noise and problems than a group of RPG players that stay int he same spot all the time not having to run all over the palce to trade for this, trade for that, buy another pack of this and leave their wrapper trashs and drink trash all over the place, while an RPg group will clean up after themselves mainly because they want to make sure they don't leave a single lucky dice behind and have leftovers to take home or offer the store owner some pizza.

Yes the CCG player will do more impulse buying, but it takes more space for them than an RPG gorup.

1 CCG game is usually played on a single table an entire RPG gorup could use, and are very recluctant to move and make room for a new game because they have all their junk sprawled out making theirselves at home and don't want to clean it up because they have to have those things not in use all over the table to prevent anyone else from being able to use the space.

6 people vs 2 at a table, I will take 6 anytime.

The point being not who is what or which is better, because the loud and smelly CCGers will lose everytime; but the fact that they can do something and have found ways to get CCG players into the store to buy, if they want more RPG players in the store, then they also need to do something to give them a reason to come into the store to buy or play int he store.

One RPG group could cause an increase in sales to new people wanting to try it out for themselves. I have seen it happen, but only once because I was passing through that store and didn't have time to stick around long.

So you want RPg people buying from an LGS, give them a reason to buy from the LGS instead of getting less expensive product elsewhere be it online or at another LGS.
 


Amazon didn't kill the general mom & pop bookstore. Most were bought or put out of business by the big chain bookstores well before Amazon showed up. Most independents that survived were niche stores that served a community that the big chains didn't cater to. These are the stores that Amazon is threatening. Amazon carries such a large selection that most niches are covered. FLGS will have to provide services that Amazon can't if they want to continue doing business.
Yeah but they're still thinking in the "I want to sell books to make money" mindset.

In what I was thinking, there would be books present but not for sale, just for use. Kind of like when you go to a gym, you don't buy the weights, you buy time to use someone else's weights. The idea isn't getting people into your store to buy your product, but instead to give them an easy way to use that product without 1 buying it all themselves, and 2 having a space/friends to use it.

Like a physical representation of the game table in a way.
A pay to play policy can help a FLGS make some extra money, but I don't think pay to play would work as a business by itself. The business would have to charge more than most gamers are likely to pay.
 

Amazon has been nothing but 1000 kinds of awesome for me.

I have Amazon Prime, which gives me 2-day shipping for free and I often get "gold box" deals that are amazing, especially in time for the holidays.

I once bought a 52" plasma refurbished Samsung TV from an Amazon Marketplace seller. It arrived with a cracked screen. I called Amazon, the marketplace seller didn't have a replacement, and the same TV wasn't available from any other seller. They gave me a new TV, the version of the model (basically a one year newer model) and shipped it out for the same price, because the new TV's sale price was only $100 more. I paid nothing extra, I didn't have to bargain and complain once, they just did it, without my urging.

Amazon has me as a customer for life.
 

Umm..... The semantic difference between 31.75 > 18.87 and 18.87 < 31.75 escapes me.

The problem is using amazon as the baseline for comparison.

The MSRP should be used for the baseline and see who is selling close to the price the company decided the product should be sold for.

You cannot blame someone for selling something at the suggested price because someone else is selling it cheaper, or claim that someone is selling for more because they are selling it at the MSRP.

Sure it is more, but the wording makes it look like a blatant attempt to rip people off by going to the LGS which is not true.

To properly compare them then state who is selling what based on the MSRP and you see what is really going on without twisting words and facts for an opinion, and then you can let people come up with their own opinions.
 

So if I use the MSRP for my baseline, I'm getting a 38% discount by going with amazon. Either way, amazon looks really good.

edit: I also find it odd that apparent math has an amazon bias.
 

A pay to play policy can help a FLGS make some extra money, but I don't think pay to play would work as a business by itself. The business would have to charge more than most gamers are likely to pay.

Maybe, maybe not.

Just straight charging for a room would be bad yeah... But a room with access to all the latest books, various sound tracks, terrain stuff, plus food, places just to "hang out" etc... It would have to follow the gym membership idea. You COULD go out and buy all the equipment you need, but it's cheaper/easier to just pay a membership and let someone else buy all the new stuff.

Again I'm not saying it would work, just that stores might need to start moving away from the "I sell books to make money" model because well, is it working?

"Guilting" people into buying stuff isn't a good marketing strategy. It might work slightly, but overall? Not so much.
 

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