Why Startrek is Dead (Opinion Thread)

[Ranger REG]

It might have worked, if they actually USED the Romulans a bit more, instead of focusing on the Remans.

To this day, I don't know why we need the Remans as Romulan Empire's subject citizens. The Romulans themselves can be just as corrupt. They could have continued the Vulcan/Romulan reunification storyline. Plus, I would have loved to see Denise Crosby reprise her Major Sela role and the "G'Kar" dude to reprise his Tomalak character.

Why John Logan didn't think to use them, is beyond my logical comprehension, unless the actors have declined, or something to do with office politics with Rick Berman.

 

[Vigilance]

They would have discarded Braga's "Temporal Cold War" arc. Emphasize the contacts and the relations with Vulcans, Andorians, Tellarites, Alpha Centarauns, Rigellians, and Orions.

TCW and the Suliban and Xindi were big problems, and show the tightrope you're walking when you try to introduce a new villain out of nowhere. Anyone remember when TNG tried to make Ferengi the big bad evil race? Don't get me wrong, they salvaged it masterfully, but go watch the first episode where the Ferengi appear in TNG... big, powerful starships... elctrowhips taking out Riker and Worf... they wanted them to be scary and evil... and it didn't really work.

One very smart thing DS9 did was to take aliens that had already proven they had some staying power. Trill, Bajorans and Cardassians had all appeared as "aliens of the week" in TNG and then slowly worked into larger parts.

When DS9 *did* introduce new threats (the DOminion) they did it very slowly and carefully. One of the reasons the Dominion was introduced in babysteps (first you see a long Jem-hadar child... then you see a lone Vorta and some more Jem'hadar... then you find out the Founders are changelings... etc...).

They really introduced them one glimpse at a time and according to Behr one reason they did that, AND the reason they made the Dominion composed of three races, was the fear of the villain not working. They gave themselves a fall-back position and ruthlessly revised anything that didn't quite work. Remember the Vorta's telekinetic abilities? Me neither

So I don't fault Ent for trying to introduce new things, but when the TCW didn't click, they went with the Xindi, and that (for me) didn't click either. The best thing about the series for me, was the Andorian/Vulcan "cold war"... a case where they were giving more screen time to an underdeveloped species that had already proven it had some staying power (the Andorians).

Add the fact that a prequel series set a number of expectations the show clearly had no intention of trying to meet (you know, actually showing how the Federation came to be and exploring its history and first contact with major races) and you get a lot of unhappy fans.

Given that the storylines people were expecting (the history of the Federation) would have been popular and were what fans were expecting, the new stuff (TCW, Xindi) had to be lights out... and it wasn't.

Chuck

 

[mojo1701]

To this day, I don't know why we need the Remans as Romulan Empire's subject citizens. The Romulans themselves can be just as corrupt. They could have continued the Vulcan/Romulan reunification storyline. Plus, I would have loved to see Denise Crosby reprise her Major Sela role and the "G'Kar" dude to reprise his Tomalak character.

Why John Logan didn't think to use them, is beyond my logical comprehension, unless the actors have declined, or something to do with office politics with Rick Berman.

According to IMDb:

Denise Crosby discussed with executive producer Rick Berman the possibility of using her Star Trek: The Next Generation character Sela in the film, but they could not work out a way to properly fit the character into the movie.

 

[myrdden]

Seriously?

If that's the case, the franchise really does need new people...

 

[mojo1701]

Seriously?

If that's the case, the franchise really does need new people...

Although I think it was more of a, "Ok, we've got the script written, and... nope, no place for you anywhere."

Seriously, write the establshed stuff FIRST.

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Originally, the last Trek film would have been the sequel to INSURRECTION, and continue that storyline, whatever that may be.

When it bombed, they decided to scrap the sequel and try to go for a major appeal, one of them being Romulan. But you know how well THAT went.

I guess the "sequel" to that went into the new novel based on Riker and the crew of the USS Titan....

Note: they're holding a design contest to design the USS Titan.

 

[mojo1701]

Note: they're holding a design contest to design the USS Titan.

Oh?

 

[Darth K'Trava]

Yup.

Check the back of the novel about the USS Titan (Star Trek Titan:Taking Wing) out in bookstores now.. They have the rules and guidelines in there.

 

[Goblyn]

Why is Star Trek in decline, if not dead?

Because it's no longer TNG, the only good Star Trek there's been.

I don't mean this as a troll post; that's really what I think.

The original was campy.
DS9 was boring.
Voyager was ... well Voyager was okay.
Enterprise is just ... wrong.

 

[Staffan]

Why is Star Trek in decline, if not dead?

Because it's no longer TNG, the only good Star Trek there's been.

I admit I haven't seen all that much TNG, but what I have seen is pretty underwhelming. DS9 was a lot more fun, especially once they started getting into the whole Dominion thing.