Why THAT change? (gnome bard)

[HighlandsBear]

Is multiclassing a bard ever that useful anyways?? They lose spell levels just like wizards and sorcs so hurts alot to lose levels from it if its your main class, but from the other side you dont get that much for 1 level of it like you would with the full-fledged arcane casters (like no famaliar, less wands useable.) Maybe 1 level for the 1st level for the now 6 skills but this really seems like a weaker choice than illusionist even if the bard class as a whole is better. Bards are still this mix of special abilities and spells which respectively make them bad at prestige classes and multiclassing IMHO. Will wait and see though.

 

[Darklone]

I played a rog3/bbn1/rgr1/bardX character and I liked it.

Sneak attacks, evasion (our DM loved to fireball the group) and two weapon fighting ensured some usefulness in combat, I had picked exactly the few spells our mad wizard refused to learn (See invisibility anyone?) and I was the wilderness freak with Track feat and good sneaky skills. A little bit of archery didn't hurt either.

The only thing that hurt was having 3 levels less than the average of the group (not cuz of multiclassing but because the DM liked the "newbies" to have less levels than the rest of the group) and still be the guy of whom the rest of the group expected to save them while the uberfighter of the group had a henchman sorcerer with more levels than my char who cast fly and invis all the time on him so that he didn't have to tank...

 

[Christian]

Is multiclassing a bard ever that useful anyways?? They lose spell levels just like wizards and sorcs so hurts alot to lose levels from it if its your main class, but from the other side you dont get that much for 1 level of it like you would with the full-fledged arcane casters (like no famaliar, less wands useable.) Maybe 1 level for the 1st level for the now 6 skills but this really seems like a weaker choice than illusionist even if the bard class as a whole is better. Bards are still this mix of special abilities and spells which respectively make them bad at prestige classes and multiclassing IMHO. Will wait and see though.

One advantage of multiclassing a Bard is that their special abilities are (mostly) not level-based, but based on their Perform skill ranks. You can keep dumping points into Perform (which is easier if you multiclass as a Rogue or Monk), and your bardic music ability will continue to increase in power. All you lose is uses per day ...

 

[Shaele]

One advantage of multiclassing a Bard is that their special abilities are (mostly) not level-based, but based on their Perform skill ranks. You can keep dumping points into Perform (which is easier if you multiclass as a Rogue or Monk), and your bardic music ability will continue to increase in power. All you lose is uses per day ...

I would be astounded if that wasn't changed in 3.5. With bardic music being revamped a bit, I'd expect their abilities to become level-based instead. Pure speculation of course, but what you're describing was one of the major loopholes in the 3e rules...

 

[Gwarok]

3 words: Gnome boy bands.... /shiver

 

[Sejs]

3 more words: Hottie Gnome Divas

 

[The Kender]

3 freakier words: River Dancing Gnomes

 

[splitinfinitude]

Heavy Metal Gnomes?

 

[Angcuru]

John-Rhys Davies?

Indy! They're digging in the wrong spot!

 

[Trellian]

But not very often. Now that combo will cause a xp penalty (for those people who even bother to impose them). But a rogue ill7/bard2 is almost every bit as good, and for the "trickster" can be even better.

Rogue/Ill 7 / Bard 2 would most definetely entail a xp penalty.. but I have a feeling you meant gnome ill 7 / bard 2