Why won't you switch?

[Pinotage]

Because people change their minds, give into peer pressure, etc.

As one of those not switching, hardly!

Ah, I get it. Your statement was meant the other way around.

Pinotage

 

[rgard]

Edit: nevermind...several others beat me to the Star Trek comparison.

 

[rgard]

Pardon the interruption, but... huh? I recall Star Trek III being "Trek does Gilgamesh" with some perfunctory Klingon antagonists led by the crazy guy from Taxi. How was it breach of canon (such as it is)?

Christopher Lloyd! Best Klingon ever!

 

[Mallus]

The antagonists were originally written to be Romulans (hence referring to their ship as a "Bird of Prey", since Romulans traditionally had the whole bird motif for their ships according to the original series), but changed to Klingons (as I understand it, because the general public knew of Klingons as Trek villains more than they did Romulans).

At some point Klingon Bird-of-Prey became kosher didn't it? And didn't the Romulans fly around in Klingon cruisers in "The Enterprise Incident" (presumably because the prop-master lost the original Bird-of-Prey from "Balance of Terror")? Things have always been a bit... muddled (Muddled?) when it comes to Trek continuity.

That, and Admiral Morrow's line that the Enterprise was being decommissioned because it was "20 years old", when by canon it was closer to 40 years old at the time, and Kirk originally took command about twenty years earlier.

I missed that. Consistency is the Ferengi of little minds.

BTW, thanks. My Trek memories are starting to get a little foggy. I'm getting old.

Also, The Search for Spock is my 2nd favorite Trek film. It's truly a space opera... grand and melodramatic as all get-out ("I'm carrying Spock's ghost! Let's go the Genesis Planet, maybe he'll come back from the dead!". Seriously, someone should make an opera out of it...)

 

[rgard]

The antagonists were originally written to be Romulans (hence referring to their ship as a "Bird of Prey", since Romulans traditionally had the whole bird motif for their ships according to the original series), but changed to Klingons (as I understand it, because the general public knew of Klingons as Trek villains more than they did Romulans).

That, and Admiral Morrow's line that the Enterprise was being decommissioned because it was "20 years old", when by canon it was closer to 40 years old at the time, and Kirk originally took command about twenty years earlier.

I'm a little more forgiving. A boatload of series, a boatload of movies...I don't fault them too much for missing the consistency mark.

 

[Ahzad]

put me in the camp for not switching for many of the reasons already listed. i like the fluff of the revamped setting, but the mechanics i've seen so far for 4e leave me flat. my friends all can't believe i'm not going to be upgrading, b/c i've always been the one to lead the change among us since the days of the Red Box set.
it doesn't really help that Spycraft 2.0 has become my favorite game engine of all time and that's the direction i'm heading, they've got their own toolkit for fantasy coming and various other toolkits either out or planned for pretty much any genre i want, and i'm also a big fan of mongoose's Conan OGL, but again the mechanics of the crafty gang win me over. my next fantasy game is going to be green ronin's Freeport (gotta love mechanic free books) with the crafty mechanics.
i hope that 4e succeeds, especially on the digital end, but their track record with electronic products doesn't inspire confidence. i'll check it out since i manage a game/comic book store but this is where i part ways with keeping up with the editions.

 

[dogoftheunderworld]

Value.

3.5 still has value for me (and my group). We have a lot of money and time invested in 3.5, and still have a whole lot of adventuring to do

Also, our group is made up of friends and family who have been playing together for many years. There is no external "need" for us to switch to any game system.

We just started a new campaign, and I am starting another new campaign in the next few months for a second generation of gamers in our family.

Third Edition will be our edition for several more years. I'm sure there will be a time when our investment matures, and we will want to invest in a new game... but that time is not now.

 

[Psion]

Really, Everyone should put in their Signatures why they will or wont upgrade, and then hopefully these treads can go away. I'll start...

Or, you know, you could just not participate in threads that don't interest you, while the rest of us do what discussion boards were made to do: discuss.

Side note: what's up with the topic gestapo? Thread drift happens folks!

 

[Eldragon]

Oh, I mostly don't participate in threads that don't interest me (Hence my really low post count). But the number of threads debating why one should/should not switch has gotten out of hand. Every couple days we have a new one.

 

[rgard]

At some point Klingon Bird-of-Prey became kosher didn't it? And didn't the Romulans fly around in Klingon cruisers in "The Enterprise Incident" (presumably because the prop-master lost the original Bird-of-Prey from "Balance of Terror")? Things have always been a bit... muddled (Muddled?) when it comes to Trek continuity.

Warning thread drift, sorry.

Yes, the Romulans had D6 or D7 Battlecruisers in the 'The Enterprise Incident.' I never heard that the Bird of Prey model was lost, but that could very well be true. They do talk about how the Romulans were using Klingon ships in that episode so maybe it was a plot device as the Bird of Prey was a sub light ship and couldn't really try to chase the FTL Enterprise. The Subcommander's "Flank speed" command is a bit non-exciting if he's in a sub light ship.

Thanks,
Rich