Wielding 2 Rapiers, Longswords, etc

[Crothian]

I'd look in the Guide to Unlawful Carnal Knowledge for that.

 

[Staffan]

Also, idea #2 is taking the monkey grip skill with lets say a great sword. ok you can wield a greatsword in one hand. According to the PHB you can wield a weapon in your off hand one size catagory smaller than you can wield in one hand at the -2/-2 penalty on the 2 weapon/ambidex chart.

No. You get the break on penalties if you wield a light weapon in the off-hand - not a weapon smaller than the main hand. So, even with Monkey Grip, Greatsword+Longsword (or bastard sword, or any other medium weapon) would incur -4/-4, plus the -2 for Monkey grip.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Re: Re: Wielding 2 Rapiers, Longswords, etc

No. You get the break on penalties if you wield a light weapon in the off-hand - not a weapon smaller than the main hand.

He can be forgiven for missing the full definition of light, though.

While it is spelled out on p97, if you look on p124 under "Attacking with two weapons", it states "A light weapon is one that's smaller than a weapon you could use in one hand".

When you're looking up "Two-Weapon Fighting" and it defines light for you, you don't necessarily feel a need to go and check p97 to see if they are being consistent with themselves

-Hyp.

 

[CRGreathouse]

Whew CRG,
There for a minute I thought I was going to get constructive well thought out suggestions. Thanks for the post dude!!!

OK, so it was *really* blunt. Still, the idea of attacking with two bastard swords at -2 each is scary...

 

[Chacal]

Still, the idea of attacking with two bastard swords at -2 each is scary...

I couldn't agree more : The 20str Barb/ranger half orc with 2 bastards swords is scary enough with -4/-4 IMC

Chacal

 

[trentonjoe]

Off Hand Superior Striking (or whatever you want to call it)
Prerequistes: Ambidexterity, 2 Weapon Fighting, Weapon Focus, Dex 15+, Str 15+, BAB 6+
Benefit: Choose one weapon you have weapon focus in and can weld in one hand. When you weld this weapon in your off hand it counts as one size smaller (medium counts as a small weapon).
Special: THis feat may be taken multiple times. Its effects do not stack, each time selct a new weapon you have Weapon Focus in.

The prerequites are a little steep, but that's because this allows a Bastard Sword as a light weapon. And that makes it a powerful feat.

I would remove the str prereq and put in a int prereq of 13+. Maybe drop the BAB to 4+.

I think the idea of a 4th level elven ranger with dual mithral longswords is kinda neat attacking at -2/-2.

Assuming a 13 str a 4th level elven ranger would be attacking at +5/+5(+4 for BAB, +1 for str, +1 wp, +1 for mw weapon, -2 for TWF) doing 1-8 +1/1-8 points of damage.

That doesn't seem unbalanced to me.

 

[Darklone]

ACK!

Guys I had a dwarven barbarian/fighter who wielded two dwarven waraxes that way. Keep the -4/-4!!!

You need it desperately for balance.

Take a look at him. He had Str 18.

lvl6 he had a BAB +6/+1, melee attack bonus with Weapon Focus and two masterworks... And a guy at that level could easily have magic axes....

Melee +8/+8/+3. Damage d10+6/d10+4/d10+6 with weapon specialisation

Including barbarian rage... you get the picture.
Now give this guy a cheap feat (he has plenty) to hit 2 points better yet. Yields a +12/+12/+7 with dmg D10+8/D10+5/D10+8. At lvl6.

No idea what you are used to, for me that sounds very evil.

 

[SpikeyFreak]

Well, it looks pretty balanced to me.

Look at double weapons. They do more damage than a light weapon, and they require a feat, and you are attacking at -2/-2.

What's the difference?

--Comparative Spikey

 

[CRGreathouse]

What's the difference?

Off the top of my head? They're rarer and deal less damage than bastard swords.

 

[SpikeyFreak]

To do it with bastard swords would require another feat as well.

I agree that with basatard sword and dwarven waraxe (or whatever the axe equivalent to the bastard sword is) is pretty munchkin, you can just disallow those.

Twin-Weapon Fighting
Prereqs: Str 19+, Int 13+, BAB +8, Power Attack, Expertise, Weapon Focus, Two Weapon Fighting, Ambidexterity
Benefit: Choose a simple or martial weapon with which you have weapon focus. When weilding 2 of that weapon, the weapon in your off-hand is considered one size category smaller for purposes of determining the penalties for fighting with two weapons.
Note: Any weapons that requires an exotic weapon feat to wield in one hand may not be used in this way.

I would allow that if a player was just dying to do it. And I wouldn't go any less on the requirements either. You would have to be pretty damn strong and pretty expert with the weapons to use 2 axes at the same time.

--Creative Spikey