Witcher (Netflix)

Mercurius

Legend
I tried watching the 1st episode of season two last night and had no memory of what was going on. This tells me what I already knew: that, for me, the Witcher is thoroughly forgettable. I really found the first season meh. Or to put it on the "fantasy show spectrum":

Great: Game of Thrones
Good: Wheel of Time
Meh: Witcher
Bad: Shannara
 

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Argyle King

Legend
I tried watching the 1st episode of season two last night and had no memory of what was going on. This tells me what I already knew: that, for me, the Witcher is thoroughly forgettable. I really found the first season meh. Or to put it on the "fantasy show spectrum":

Great: Game of Thrones
Good: Wheel of Time
Meh: Witcher
Bad: Shannara

Fair enough.

Different people have different tastes.

For me, I'm struggling to get through the first few episodes of Wheel of Time. In contrast, I found the first season of Witcher to be even more enjoyable during a second watching.

I haven't watched Shannara, so I can't comment on that.

I agree with Game of Thrones. (Though, I also agree with others that the last few seasons showed a noticeable drop in quality.)

This was mentioned earlier in this thread, but I laughed at the Witcher (season 2) episode in which Jaskier (the bard) gets into a debate about his songs with a sailor. It's the show making fun of itself a little bit while also poking fun at people on message boards which criticized season 1.
 



TheSword

Legend
See I think the Witcher is brilliantly done, because it nails the three things that Wheel if Time struggles with.

1. All the main characters are likeable… Geralt, Yen, Ciri, Vesimir, Jaskier, Triss, Yarpen. Even a lot of the antagonists are likeable - Fringilla, Cahir, Tissaia, Stregobor, The elf king, etc. Even though it’s a grim and gritty world, it doesn’t mean everyone whose in it is an ass.

2. It’s funny. Genuinely funny. Jaskier is hilarious, And Geralts One liners are perfectly timed. This breaks up the tension and stops the show disappearing up its own ass as Wheel of Time does sometimes. What would the Lord of the Rings films be without Merry and Pippin lightening things. humour is needed.

3. The overall story is relatively simple. The short story framework of the original books fits a series well. So while they weave the series wide elements through it, you do get satisfying conclusions to events as they happen. They can get into the myth and world building by foreshadowing and revealing tidbits of information that build on each other. World building doesn’t just come out of no-where then disappear like Wheel of Time.

NB. Also Jaskier’s takedown of the guard fan who has some feedback on his songs is brilliant. Delivered so well!
 
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AcererakTriple6

Autistic DM (he/him)
See I think the Witcher is brilliantly done, because it nails the three things that Wheel if Time struggles with.

1. All the main characters are likeable… Geralt, Yen, Ciri, Vesimir, Jaskier, Triss, Yarpen. Even a lot of the antagonists are likeable - Fringilla, Cahir, Tussaia, Stregobor, The elf king, etc. Even though it’s a grim and gritty world, it doesn’t mean everyone whose in it is an ass.

2. It’s funny. Genuinely funny. Jaskier is hilarious, And Geralts One liners are perfectly timed. This breaks up the tension and stops the show disappearing up its own ass as Wheel of Time does sometimes. What would the Lord of the Rings films be without Merry and Pippin lightening things. humour is needed.

3. The overall story is relatively simple. The short story framework of the original books fits a series well. So while they weave the series wide elements through it, you do get satisfying conclusions to events as they happen. They can get into the myth and world building by foreshadowing and revealing tidbits of information that build on each other. World building doesn’t just come out of no-where then disappear like Wheel of Time.

NB. Also Jaskier’s takedown of the guard fan who has some feedback on his songs is brilliant. Delivered so well!
Yeah, my main complaint is the confusing Time-Skip in Season 1. Otherwise, I liked it and the new season a lot. I do think the Second Season is better, but I still liked the 1st season and its episodic format of short stories that it took from the books. It worked really well, IMO.
 

TheSword

Legend
Yeah, my main complaint is the confusing Time-Skip in Season 1. Otherwise, I liked it and the new season a lot. I do think the Second Season is better, but I still liked the 1st season and its episodic format of short stories that it took from the books. It worked really well, IMO.
I agree. Season 1 really rewards a second watch through which is nice as you pick up on much more stuff. Particularly as I didn’t know the books beforehand.
 

Stalker0

Legend
See I think the Witcher is brilliantly done, because it nails the three things that Wheel if Time struggles with.

1. All the main characters are likeable… Geralt, Yen, Ciri, Vesimir, Jaskier, Triss, Yarpen. Even a lot of the antagonists are likeable - Fringilla, Cahir, Tissaia, Stregobor, The elf king, etc. Even though it’s a grim and gritty world, it doesn’t mean everyone whose in it is an ass.

2. It’s funny. Genuinely funny. Jaskier is hilarious, And Geralts One liners are perfectly timed. This breaks up the tension and stops the show disappearing up its own ass as Wheel of Time does sometimes. What would the Lord of the Rings films be without Merry and Pippin lightening things. humour is needed.

3. The overall story is relatively simple. The short story framework of the original books fits a series well. So while they weave the series wide elements through it, you do get satisfying conclusions to events as they happen. They can get into the myth and world building by foreshadowing and revealing tidbits of information that build on each other. World building doesn’t just come out of no-where then disappear like Wheel of Time.

NB. Also Jaskier’s takedown of the guard fan who has some feedback on his songs is brilliant. Delivered so well!
I don't find number 3 too relevant to WOT so far. I get that the story in the books is 14 books long filled with crazy plot, but the plot of the tv show is actually very very simple. 5 chosen ones....one of them is the super chosen one. Got to figure out which one to kill the big bad, or the world ends.

Number 1 and 2 I definately agree with, especially 1. My biggest beef with WOT so far is that the acting is wooden, I don't really feel any chemistry between the characters, hell I just watched the first season and I still have trouble remembering their names. If Rosamund Pike wasn't there to take it up a notch every so often, it would be really bland at times.

Witcher on the other hands, the acting is wonderful. Yenn and Geralt have great chemistry together, and now so do Geralt and Ciri. there are some great moments between Jaskier and Yennifer in this season, and Vessemer brings a great presence.
 

payn

Legend
Season 1 of Witcher for me was meh, but season 2 moved it up to good. WoT is firmly in the meh category, but maybe it can get to good with a better paced season with better character development next time around.
 

BrokenTwin

Biological Disaster
Season 2 definitely feels stronger than season 1. Which I think is mostly due to the groundwork and necessary backstory stuff has all be laid at this point, so the show can just focus on giving us a strong story.

Also, Jaskier is great.
 

wicked cool

Adventurer
Question on season 2-burnt face guy and the guy with owl.are they working with each other and are they working for someone else. How closely does this follow the books
 

Blue

Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Finished watching the second season with my wife. Quite enjoyed it. Only complaint was that we went to watch more and realized we reached the end of the season.

It's no spoiler to reiterate what others have said about how much we enjoyed Ciri this season.

It might be a touch of a spoiler, but Lambert is a bit of donkey.

And poor, poor Jaskier - what bet did you lose to have to wear that hairstyle?
 

CapnZapp

Legend
The "power politics" of the mages are excruciatingly superficial and cliched.

The "dark fairy tale" aspects of the Witcher, on the other hand, are well done. And FINALLY Ciri gets something to do; which combined with her actress finally being allowed to show some grit, means the Ciri portions aren't interminably dull like in Season 1.

So. Yennefers story is much more dull than her "coming of age" arc in S1, but Ciri is much less dull than in S1.

That makes a wash. The show should still have focused on what works, and left the naff power intrigues on the cutting room floor.

What exactly is working then? The best answer is "look at the games", but if you haven't played them, a reductive answer like "The Witcher and the monster of the week" will have to do.

3 stars.

Zapp

PS. Minus points for the showrunner's BS commentary about "nudity isn't required for the story". Nudity wasn't "required" in S1 either, but it helped pull in viewers, didn't it?

If I got a dollar for every Netflix show that starts out feisty and earthy, only to get all high and mighty once success is achieved... I reserve my respect for shows that either decides against adult themes from S1E1, or decides to feature these aspects of life throughout the entire series' run.
 




AcererakTriple6

Autistic DM (he/him)
Also, can I root for no nation to win the fights? Because outside the leader of the Witchers, every leader seems bad.
And even the leader of the Witchers seems very morally gray. He would give a dangerous mutagen to children in order to turn them into mutants that would result in them forever being cast-offs of society. And that's if they even survive the process. Yes, Witchers are good for protecting the people, but still.
 

pukunui

Legend
I haven't watched season 2 yet. Does it touch on Vilgefortz's seeming betrayal at the end of season 1 at all? (I haven't read any of the books or played any of the games.)
 


Also, can I root for no nation to win the fights? Because outside the leader of the Witchers, every leader seems bad.
I think you can. The Witchers - and certainly Geralt - generally try to stay out of it, but the situation with Ciri makes things more complicated, though.

I think it's really just important to root for Ciri, Geralt or Yennefer. (And typically, that involves rooting for all 3.) But failing that, you can always root for Jaskier.
 

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