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D&D 5E Wizards is hiring a senior game designer for Dungeons & Dragons

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billd91

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I truly wonder at the state of WOTC and their hiring practices/standards that they have to do an open call like this. What, precisely, is the management team at WOTC looking for in said senior designer? The fact they can't fill this position internally and choose a cattle call speaks volumes to me.
Can't fill it internally draws criticism from some groups. Too strong a tendency to fill internally draws criticisms from others.
 

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Requiring a Liberal Art's bachelor's degree is obscene. There is no justification for that requirement nothing in that job that can't be done by someone without one.

It's just another attack on regular folks, a reminder we aren't one of them or their equals as far as they are concerned.

Too many jobs ask for post secondary education that don't actually NEED that level of education as is, which is causing all kinds of problems.

It should be law that for an employer to require or semirequire university education they have to provide justification as to way someone without it can't do that job, like yeah a surgeon obviously needs it, but many jobs don't.
I am sure, that with enough practice, I can perform brain surgery, without that silly 10 years of medical training.
 

Parmandur

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They're probably looking for an education that exercised and developed their applicants' writing skills. Most high school education doesn't do that enough. So an obscene requirement? Not in the slightest.
Yeah, they are looking for someone to head a 256-320 page book in a year, from conception to writing to editing to art orders to layout. Those are B.A. skills. And they want numeracy, to boot!
 

Requiring a Liberal Art's bachelor's degree is obscene. There is no justification for that requirement nothing in that job that can't be done by someone without one.

It's just another attack on regular folks, a reminder we aren't one of them or their equals as far as they are concerned.

Too many jobs ask for post secondary education that don't actually NEED that level of education as is, which is causing all kinds of problems.

It should be law that for an employer to require or semirequire university education they have to provide justification as to way someone without it can't do that job, like yeah a surgeon obviously needs it, but many jobs don't.
As ever, job qualification listings are often recommendations, not really hard requirements. Having a liberal arts bachelor's degree is a quick way to show that you have spent time learning how to do the sort of writing that would be expected as a baseline for this kind of job. But I'm sure if someone who had not gotten a degree like that could show evidence that they had the same skill set, they would be able to apply.

Also, I am a little put off by the phrasing of people with out college degrees as being 'regular' people. I don't see that there is a normal or abnormal here. It splits pretty even. It's just different education paths. Not going to college doesn't make someone somehow more legitimate, or vice versa.
 
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Parmandur

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I truly wonder at the state of WOTC and their hiring practices/standards that they have to do an open call like this. What, precisely, is the management team at WOTC looking for in said senior designer? The fact they can't fill this position internally and choose a cattle call speaks volumes to me.
In the past, for the same position, they have hired internally and from contractors working with them.
 

As ever, job qualification listings are often recommendations, not really hard requirements. Having a liberal arts bachelor's degree is a quick way to show that you have spent time learning how to do the sort of writing that would be expected as a baseline for this kind of job. But I'm sure if someone who had not gotten a degree like that could show evidence that they had the same skill set, they would be able to apply.


It should be part of the listing period, it's not needed for the job, it should be there at all, the message to the none university educated is clear, we're not wanted.
 

I truly wonder at the state of WOTC and their hiring practices/standards that they have to do an open call like this. What, precisely, is the management team at WOTC looking for in said senior designer? The fact they can't fill this position internally and choose a cattle call speaks volumes to me.
There are job-listing requirements (i think state, maybe federal?) that basically mean that every open job for companies of a certain size must be on a public forum. Those requirements are something like 3 business days, and if you see a gig go up and disappear that means there was an internal candidate.

But you'll even see major sports teams list jobs for VP of Sports Sciences on their website. That doesn't mean that they are desperate or that they have an internal failure.
 



Parmandur

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It should be part of the listing period, it's not needed for the job, it should be there at all, the message to the none university educated is clear, we're not wanted.
I mean, I'm not angry that job postings for an Electricians position require certification? Someone can learn about how electricity and electronics work, but without cert they can't apply for jobs that need that proof.

Writing is not a light skill, nor is project management, or design, all of which this position involves.
 
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MGibster

Legend
Requiring a Liberal Art's bachelor's degree is obscene. There is no justification for that requirement nothing in that job that can't be done by someone without one.
Having a liberal arts degree is not a requirement. An applicant must have a bachelor's degree or equivalent experience. The applicant will also need a minimum of six years of "significant" RPG design experience & credits which is going to exclude far more applicants than the liberal arts degree or equivalent experience requirement.
I truly wonder at the state of WOTC and their hiring practices/standards that they have to do an open call like this. What, precisely, is the management team at WOTC looking for in said senior designer? The fact they can't fill this position internally and choose a cattle call speaks volumes to me.
Wizards just hired someone to handle diversity, equity, and inclusion issues either earlier this year or last year. As part of most DEI initiatives, a company will make sure to post open positions in public forums to give all qualified individuals a chance to apply. i.e. It makes the process a bit more transparent.
 

NotAYakk

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It should be part of the listing period, it's not needed for the job, it should be there at all, the message to the none university educated is clear, we're not wanted.
As an example, when writing copy, you don't want someone who makes the many grammar and spelling mistakes you made in your post right above. Because, while you can fix it with copy editors and the like, that adds extra impedance to production.

I would also be a poor person to hire to write games, because my own spelling/grammar/etc is really not up to snuff. And at first glance, my copy has fewer errors than yours.

I think you swapped should for shouldn't twice, used none university for non-university, and your sentence structure is this long comma-splice.

That kind of communication skills issue makes producing game content and collaborating harder. So, yes, they are going to want to not hire someone without that.

And most people with a 4 year degree from a decent liberal arts university will have written a huge amount of copy, and that copy will have passed minimal writing standards. They will probably be exposed to the literary and story telling tropes of one or more cultures to mine for game design. They'll have shown themselves capable of self-managing their education and succeeding at a task that upwards of 1/3 of those who attempt it fail.

It sucks, but successfully getting a degree is an accomplishment that hiring departments can use that is far easier than testing and verifying the myriad of skills that it covers.

And with 40%+ of adults having those qualifications, with a far larger percent of people who have those skills in the group and a far smaller number outside the group, this helps a [censored] tonne.

As someone doing hiring, know what happens when you put out a resume with qualifications listed? You get huge numbers of unqualified people applying. Like, looking to hire a programmer in language X, you get 20 people who can't write a program more complex than "hello world" for every 1 that can.
 
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BookTenTiger

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It should be part of the listing period, it's not needed for the job, it should be there at all, the message to the none university educated is clear, we're not wanted.
I think you're drawing an unnecessary line in the sand here. The exact wording is:

Bachelor’s degree in the liberal arts, or equivalent professional experience.

So the bachelor's degree literally is not required, if you have equivalent professional experience.

When you say "we" are not wanted, who is "we?"
 

They're probably looking for an education that exercised and developed their applicants' writing skills. Most high school education doesn't do that enough. So an obscene requirement? Not in the slightest.

That is an excuse. Could someone without that degree possess those skills? Yes, so there is no need to have it as a requirement.
 




BookTenTiger

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if it's not an actual requirement, no need to have it there at all.
It's short-hand for a bevy of skills and experience. Those skills and experiences are required, which is why they list a Bachelor's Degree... as well as the option to have relevant experience.

What would you want them to list instead? They want someone with the skills and experience you get earning a Bachelor's Degree in Liberal Arts. So... that's what they listed.
 


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