D&D General [Workshopping] The New Beatifics (or replacing Eladrin in the Outer Planar order)

I don't know, celestial animal people niche is pretty covered with archons, guardanals, and animal lords; it seems almost conformist to make the CG ones like that. More chimerical ones like the Lillend with parts from more than one beast could be a chance to differentiate them from the other ones. Or focus on centaur-like creatures like the Briar could also work (come to think of it the Lillend is kind of a snake centaur with wings), because there aren't a lot of celestial centaur types in the LG-NG planes.
guardanals do not feel neautral good the feel chaotic good.

I'd like to construct a new group of Chaotic Good exemplars, so that I can shuffle off the Eladrin to the Feywild completely. My unifying theme is human-like beings with animal features, but not furries.

The candidates I have so far are:

Swanmay

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Actaeon

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Lillend

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Asura

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Any ideas?
names would be hard, do you have any unifiy aesthetic for them beyond the merger of animal and mortal, as in how to make them look all mythical and stuff without compromising them idea wise?
 

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guardanals do not feel neautral good the feel chaotic good.


names would be hard, do you have any unifiy aesthetic for them beyond the merger of animal and mortal, as in how to make them look all mythical and stuff without compromising them idea wise?
I think the original idea was that guardinals deal with problems and don't make a show of it, which is pretty NG. If you look at what outsider N's on the L-N-C scale actually do (as opposed to what the books say alignment means for PC's), you will notice that N's tend to have a strong "don't look at us too closely" thing going. The basic Rilmani story is "young king fights evil guided by mysterious advisor, when he is successful, the advisor betrays him (the advisor is secretly a Rilmani) because good is as unbalanced as evil"--in other words, the Rilmani doesn't want you to think about it. The classic Yugoloth story is that the Yugoloth needs to look dependable enough that someone will hire them as a mercenary, but not so dependable that someone else won't hire them to betray their first employer--again, don't look at me too closely. The Guardinal comes into town, kills off the big bad, and leaves. It doesn't make a big Captain America or Adam West Batman speech about "this is justice" like a LG type would and doesn't want a big party like a CG would. The townsfolk might not even know the Guardinal was a celestial.

It is kind of like the Celestial video, where they basically said, "if there is no malice, it isn't evil, it is neutral", for the G-N-E scale. That is not what the alignment for PC's advice says in PHB, but it is completely consistent with what N outsiders do. When the slaad tadpole bursts out of your PC's chest, the slaad that put it there isn't laughing about how the PC spasmed when it happened (unless you have a really mean DM).
 

guardanals do not feel neautral good the feel chaotic good.


names would be hard, do you have any unifiy aesthetic for them beyond the merger of animal and mortal, as in how to make them look all mythical and stuff without compromising them idea wise?
I feel like it would make so much more sense if Guardinals were Chaotic Good, Archons were Lawful Good, and Aasimon were neutral good.

Why do we need two lawful good types of angels anyway?
 

I’ve made my on CG outsider’s to solve the same problem. They’re called “Reijali”, and i leaned into chaos for their forms. Each has a different appearance to the other, and have a chance to transform into one another each day.

There’s a total of 7 so far, but I may add more in the future. Here’s the ones I got:
Nove are the weakest and most basic, imagine a pixie, but its shouts in the ears of and demoralizes bad guys and inspire heroes. Imagine round-toothy-headed pink guys the size of a hand.

Bellator deal with the unpassed dead. Helping vengeful spirits get vengeance on those who have wronged them, or use spirits to haunt or scare wrong-doer’s. They appear similar to spirits, but are identifiable by their cluster of eyes.

Adarn are relentless pursuers. They set their sights on villains and hunt them down, inflicting suffering on the target as much as they have made other’s suffer (oftentimes more). Their bright skin makes them near-impossible to miss as they hunt you. They appear to be extremely colorful/patterned humanoids.

Furci are 5-armed, dagger-wielding assassins, they scour planes looking for evil-doer’s who believe themselves secure and safe from consequence.

Ira are titanic fighters often covered in a radiant and storm-like aura. They are the most straight-forward, attacking any evil they see head on.

Cataegis are as if wild-magic came alive. They look like massive humanoids made of swarming tendrils. They search for sources of magic (people, objects, locations) bound or corrupted by evil.

The Rex are considered the pinacle of the reijali. Their mere presence is overwhelming for most minds, and their power is awesome. They have no definitive or traditional way of pursuing good or the erradicaion of evil, but work towards it all the same.

As chaotic entities, the reijali don’t have set rules or a hierarchy, instead each of them band with and/or follow who they believe will be the best match. They do not hold grudges against one another if they have differences of opinion or part ways (even if done so violently). The only reijali that have any form of authority over them are their celestial paragons (but not by much).

For each of these guys, i wanted them to feel like a trope you could associate with CG. I have since forgotten those tropes, but i still enjoy these guys
 


I feel like it would make so much more sense if Guardinals were Chaotic Good, Archons were Lawful Good, and Aasimon were neutral good.

Why do we need two lawful good types of angels anyway?
we should only have one type of angel too much Abrahamic imagery is boring.
ng should be something rather different.
I think the original idea was that guardinals deal with problems and don't make a show of it, which is pretty NG. If you look at what outsider N's on the L-N-C scale actually do (as opposed to what the books say alignment means for PC's), you will notice that N's tend to have a strong "don't look at us too closely" thing going. The basic Rilmani story is "young king fights evil guided by mysterious advisor, when he is successful, the advisor betrays him (the advisor is secretly a Rilmani) because good is as unbalanced as evil"--in other words, the Rilmani doesn't want you to think about it. The classic Yugoloth story is that the Yugoloth needs to look dependable enough that someone will hire them as a mercenary, but not so dependable that someone else won't hire them to betray their first employer--again, don't look at me too closely. The Guardinal comes into town, kills off the big bad, and leaves. It doesn't make a big Captain America or Adam West Batman speech about "this is justice" like a LG type would and doesn't want a big party like a CG would. The townsfolk might not even know the Guardinal was a celestial.

It is kind of like the Celestial video, where they basically said, "if there is no malice, it isn't evil, it is neutral", for the G-N-E scale. That is not what the alignment for PC's advice says in PHB, but it is completely consistent with what N outsiders do. When the slaad tadpole bursts out of your PC's chest, the slaad that put it there isn't laughing about how the PC spasmed when it happened (unless you have a really mean DM).
that is not my issue it is more how they are organised, structured and themed, they are like an adventuring party scaled up that would be naturally the most cg sort of thing possible (the average PC is likely cg)
 

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Leaning into the chaos a bit more…

Imagine a humanoid being with a head that is blurred, but when it talks (for any reason), its features come into sharp focus. Those features resemble a kind of living thing a viewer would view as attractive and calming- a child, a cat, a flower, etc.- but never a particular being.

Its features would vary for each being perceiving it. It might even change every few minutes.
 

Leaning into the chaos a bit more…

Imagine a humanoid being with a head that is blurred, but when it talks (for any reason), its features come into sharp focus. Those features resemble a kind of living thing a viewer would view as attractive and calming- a child, a cat, a flower, etc.- but never a particular being.

Its features would vary for each being perceiving it. It might even change every few minutes.
Perhaps its a sweet-talker known for inspiring revolutions?
 


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