Worlds of Design: In the Shadow of Tolkien

How much does Tolkien’s body of work influence you fantasy role-playing games?

When were you first interested in Tolkien's works compared to when you played FRPGs

  • I was interested in Tolkien's works well before I got into FRPGs

    Votes: 54 51.9%
  • My interest in Tolkien's works and FRPGs happened about the same time

    Votes: 34 32.7%
  • I became interested Tolkien's works well after I got into FRPGs

    Votes: 14 13.5%
  • I've never been a fan or influenced by Tolkien's works

    Votes: 2 1.9%

The answer is likely predicated on if you came to Tolkien before you came to FRPGs.

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"Nobody believes me when I say that my long book is an attempt to create a world in which a form of language agreeable to my personal aesthetic might seem real. But it is true." - J. R. R. Tolkien

I read the Lord of the Rings (LOTR) when I was in my late teens, about seven years before original Dungeons & Dragons was released. (The Hobbit came later for me.) This is long before any LOTR movies, of course. Most of you have read LOTR (or watched the Peter Jackson movies) long after the release of D&D, I suspect, but still we can ask which came first for you, LOTR or D&D?

Which Came First (for You)?​

I’d suppose that Tolkien is likely to have a greater influence on your gaming if you came to Tolkien before you came to fantasy role-playing games (FRPGs).

This also might depend on when you started playing FRPGs. When I first played D&D (1975) the assumption was that the GM would mine fantasy novels and stories, and myths and legends, for ideas for his/her campaign. I remember hunting down Stith-Thompson’s Motif Index of Folklore Literature (in Duke Library), surely not something many GMs do today (even though today it’s a free PDF rather than huge paper volumes). There were few adventure modules and even fewer ready-made settings to buy. With this approach, Tolkien would be one author amongst many, maybe foremost but still just one.

Gary Gygax listed in Appendix N of AD&D the novels/novelists that had influenced him, including many long preceding LOTR. I’ve read most of the books listed in the Appendix, but I suspect many younger people have read few of them. Working from the list, Jeffro Johnson in his book Appendix N: the Literary History of Dungeons & Dragons, by reviewing these books, has ably demonstrated that there were a lot stronger influences on D&D than Tolkien.

Tolkien’s Expanding Influence​

Even before the Ralph Bakshi LOTR movie (1978) I gauged the likelihood that someone would like D&D according to whether or not they’d read The Lord of the Rings. (Many give up because the book starts slowly.) If they had not read it, prospects were much less rosy. Now, with many movies (Peter Jackson’s, Bakshi’s, and the Rankin Bass follow-up to Bakshi, and others more obscure), and even a LOTR TV series (Rings of Power), I don’t rely on my old view. On the other hand, so many more people are aware of LOTR (and of RPGs) than in the pre-movie past.

More recently, adventure modules and even settings of all kinds can be found online, including many that are free. GMs don’t have to make up adventures or settings, they can use someone else’s creations. Further, many of the old fantasy authors are virtually unknown to recent generations. But with the movies, Tolkien is even more well-known than when there were only books. Do the movies make Tolkien a stronger influence? Or do GMs today just accept whatever adventures/settings they acquire and not change much? For most these days, likely the latter.

Beyond Tolkien​

If you want more discussion of Tolkien’s influence, see my previous articles (Escaping Tolkien and Reassessing Tolkien’s Influence). As I wrote this, I asked myself, what’s the biggest influence likely to be, after Tolkien?

Conan the Barbarian (whether the savage Robert E. Howard version, or the more tempered ones by other authors that followed)? Wheel of Time? Game of Thrones? Dresden Files? David Eddings’ Mallorean and Belgariad? Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn? Harry Potter? Superhero movies? Something from Appendix N days such as Poul Anderson’s Three Hearts and Three Lions?

Your Turn: Do you think the timing on your exposure to Tolkien’s works influenced your FRPG play?
 

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Lewis Pulsipher

Lewis Pulsipher

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I knew and loved Tolkien first; I was a pretty precocious reader (tracks; I now teach literature). And there was a marked impact on my initial approach to D&D. I also bought Middle Earth Roleplay as soon as I found it, which led me to Loremaster.
Sounds like an awesome career. Glad to see a fantasy reader get into literature.

However, I now find the influence of Tolkien to (sometimes) be an annoyance in D&D, as it often leads to hackneyed stories and game assumptions. Tolkien is not really a very good fit with D&D mechanics, and never was. Also, the privileged status of Tolkien-derived concepts (rangers, half-elves, half-orcs, halflings, orcs, Dark Lords, etc) is irritating to me.
I liked that aspect of the game but mostly from the racial angle. I'm probably a four class kinda guy on that end.

And I particularly dislike the cliched plot of an existential battle between good and evil. Hate it.
Yeah, I've very rarely ran the big bad evil sort of game, like once. I prefer open world episodic villains etc...
 

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Now, with many movies (Peter Jackson’s, Bakshi’s, and the Rankin Bass follow-up to Bakshi, and others more obscure), and even a LOTR TV series (Rings of Power) . . .
Ouch. How about, "and even an LOTR-inspired TV series?"

As I wrote this, I asked myself, what’s the biggest influence likely to be, after Tolkien?
What drives people to Draconian RPGs now? Final Fantasy, the Elder Scrolls, and World of Warcraft. Video games.
 


When I was a little child I watched in video the cartoon "the lord of the Rings" but I felt the story wasn't completed. I read the book to know what happened after the battle of Moria. The D&D cartoon arrived after, and I discovered the TTRPGs in the first years of the 90s.
 

Before I even knew pnp RPGs existed, there was Tolkien. I'm not saying I'm a massive Tolkien fan, ME is interesting, not in the same way many other fantasy worlds are interesting. It's like the Shakespeare plays, he was not the first, but it's the foundation of so much that came after. The same goes for Tolkien and Fantasy literature, (pnp) RPGs, computer games, movies, comics/graphic novels, etc.

So Tolkien is on my radar, it's just not my preference, but I do think that everyone in this fantasy 'space' should read Tolkien, just as anyone in the sci-fi space should read Herbert (among others)...
 

My influence before Dungeons and Dragons was definitely Conan the Barbarian (Robert Jordan, et al.) I still haven't finished the Lord of the Rings, and it's Treebeard's fault.

I don't like Tolkien's outsized influence on Dungeons and Dragons and, through D&D, upon the whole fantasy world.
 

hobbit 13th birthday, d&D around 16 years old. As someone who already stated, those old farts living before the white boxes had a greater chance of reading tolkein due time, lack of other novels, and other.
 

hobbit 13th birthday, d&D around 16 years old. As someone who already stated, those old farts living before the white boxes had a greater chance of reading tolkein due time, lack of other novels, and other.
We had plenty of other novels to read and definitely didn't have more time! 😂
Tolkien had become a huge fad during this time period. There were "Frodo for President" signs, if I'm remembering correctly. Gygax preferred Sword & Sorcery but couldn't ignore the Tolkien love at the time.

I didn't find D&D like Tolkien or Sword&Sorcery. It didn't really feel like any book.
 


I first read The Hobbit in 1979 and attempted Lord of the Rings in 1980. I was quite young... 3rd grade. I made it through The Hobbit but LotR eluded me for a few more years. I've read the latter about every decade since then and gotten different things from it each time. I got Moldvay Basic D&D in 1982. So, I guess I started finding out about this around the same time, though at the time it seemed like forever.

How influential has Tolkien been for me? His influence has waxed and waned but overall I'd say that Michael Moorcock along with a lot of the background that's in the 1E DMG among other places was way more influential in terms of my campaign world design. I too have read most of the Appendix N stories. They're worth tracking down, for sure!
 

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