Dragonlance WotC Officially Confirms Takhisis and Tiamat Are The Same

It's been an issue in dispute for decades, over various editions of D&D, but WotC has officially confirmed that - at least in 5E - Dragonlance's Takhisis is, indeed, currently Tiamat. In previous editions, Tiamat has varied from being a big dragon to a minor goddess, while Takhisis has been a greater god on Krynn. At times they've been the same entity, and at others different entities. Today, WotC is putting its foot down and saying that Takhisis and Tiamat are, indeed, the same being.



Of course, this is not an opinion universally held. Dragonlance co-creator Margaret Weis emphatically stated that "TAKHISIS IS NOT TIAMAT, DAMN IT!"

Fizban's Treasuryof Dragons confirms that the beings echo across various settings.

D&D 5E - Is Paladine Bahamut? Is Takhisis Tiamat? Fizban's Treasury Might Reveal The Answer!

According to WotC's James Wyatt, Fizban's Treasury of Dragons introduces a new cosmology for dragon gods, where the same beings, including Fizban, echo across various D&D campaign settings with alternate versions of themselves (presumably like Paladine/Bahamut, or Takhisis/Tiamat). Also... the...

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[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Fizban's First World is, according to posters that have responded to me, just one view of the multiverse. You don't have to take it seriously, and I don't.

We are all stunned at this news.

In any case, it means that this isn't the first time in 5E that we've been told Takhsis and Tiamat are the same entity.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

They are consistently pushing for a consistent multi-verse, and I wonder why?

Future product plans.

 

[whimsychris123]

What WotC says about the issue affects my gaming table 0%.

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

This isn't anything new. Us Planescape cutters have known the dark of that chant for decades.

Though, to be fair to Dragonlance, my understanding is that Weis and Hickman weren't too thrilled with Krynn being linked up to the Great Wheel either...

For whatever reason, they seem to like it being a walled garden locked away from anything else.

 

[darjr]

Though, to be fair to Dragonlance, my understanding is that Weis and Hickman weren't too thrilled with Krynn being linked up to the Great Wheel either...

For whatever reason, they seem to like it being a walled garden locked away from anything else.

That and the definitive thing that is D&D. But it can’t be both. Or even part of both.

 

[TerraDave]

Future product plans.

Current product plans. But you can still spin these things differently.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Current product plans. But you can still spin these things differently.

I am guessing all of this First World stuff they have been pushing is going somewhere, either in the Planescape product next year or somewhere else, like maybe as one of the promised new settings.

They probably aren't just trolling people with this stuff.

 

[dave2008]

Thanks for posting that interview. So now we have Jeff Grubb also confirming that the Dark Queen in official Dragonlance was deliberately separated from both the generic Greyhawk Chromatic Dragon (before she was named Tiamat) and Tiamat herself.

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from this:

 

[Veltharis ap Rylix]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from this:

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"Look we worship Venus here, not Aphrodite. They're completely different goddesses."

Astarte/Ishtar reflexively forwarding worshiper emails to her alt accounts

 

[Kai Lord]

I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion from this:

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Because he goes on to state that that wasn't her final iteration as she appeared in Krynn:

Don’t know where Trace got the name Takhisis (May be Indonesian – Neraka definitely is) but part of his decision to rename was to separate DL’s cosmology from Greyhawk’s. (Another possibility – when I built my mythology (a time when Trace was first playing as well) neither Bahamut nor Tiamat were so named in the game books- so the idea of creating new versions of them unique to DL would not be too far a reach)).

He states point blank that her new name was reflective of the fact that she wasn't the same Chromatic Dragon as the one in Greyhawk and that the "new version" of her was unique to Krynn, separate from Greyhawk, separate from his own campaign.