D&D 5E WotC's Stats for Zaknafein Do'Udern

[Weiley31]

So they weren’t the protagonists of the story.

I mean, you say that’s “one way to play the game”. If there’s a way to play D&D where the PCs aren’t the protagonists of the story, it’s new to me. And not something I think I’d be interested in.

One character's red shirt is another's hero in the eyes of -oh snap, Kirk saved the day again.

 

[Weiley31]

Since it hasn't been posted yet, Zaknafein's full statblock:

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Looks like a Battlemaster Fighter retrofitted to fit an NPC template, like the NPCs in Volo's, and with Legendary Actions added.

So what your saying is, we can TOTALLY let him use the Battle Master Subclasss Special Techniques.

 

[Slit518]

But then he wouldn't be as good with his longswords which are likely already an established part of the character in the books so they can't just change them to another weapon.

His swords could have the Finesse property.

So they weren’t the protagonists of the story.

I mean, you say that’s “one way to play the game”. If there’s a way to play D&D where the PCs aren’t the protagonists of the story, it’s new to me. And not something I think I’d be interested in.

There is no wrong way to play D&D

Also, stories take place all over the globe, some stories merge. The PC's are the heroes of their story, but this isn't true in every campaign, because there are infinite ways to play

 

[TheCosmicKid]

Technically from a lore perspective, your PC's aren't meant to mean anything special in the grand scheme of things.

Uh... I must have missed the part of the PHB where it explains that.

 

[Morrus]

The PC's are the heroes of their story, but this isn't true in every campaign, because there are infinite ways to play

Seriously? You've played D&D games where the PCs weren't the protagonists in their story?

(I note you changed the word 'protagonists' to 'heroes')

 

[Demetrios1453]

So they weren’t the protagonists of the story.

I mean, you say that’s “one way to play the game”. If there’s a way to play D&D where the PCs aren’t the protagonists of the story, it’s new to me. And not something I think I’d be interested in.

It would be really intriguing to try, if a group were willing to buy into the premise and take on the challenge of having their victories continuously snatched away from them by others.

 

[Morrus]

It would be really fun to try, if a group were willing to buy into the premise and take on the challenge of having their victories continuously snatched away from them by others.

But they're still the protagonists. If the story is about a bunch of people who keeps having their victories snatched away, the protagonists are those people. How you play a game where players aren't the protagonists, I don't know. I guess the DM could read them a story?

 

[humble minion]

I have to think though, this really all seems rather academic (and i say this as the first person in this thread to grizzle about his Str score!) What sort of actual real-life FR game actually uses Zaknafein's stats? Main two possibilities i can see are huge Salvatore fans who'll get a thrill about having their PCs meet the guy (but who are unlikely to fight him), and rabid Drizzt haters who will expressly seek him out for metagaming reasons just to kill him while cackling gleefully (like so many people did with Drizzt in the original Baldur's Gate game). Which ... well whatever guys, it's your game, it doesn't strike me as a particularly mature attitude, but you do you.

The arguments about stats of novel characters really seems like the superhero fan arguments about whether Superman or the Hulk is stronger, for instance. I mean, it can be a fun nerdy diversion, but even in the scope of the hobby, how often is it going to matter?

 

[Morrus]

The arguments about stats of novel characters really seems like the superhero fan arguments about whether Superman or the Hulk is stronger, for instance. I mean, it can be a fun nerdy diversion, but even in the scope of the hobby, how often is it going to matter?

I mean, does the conversation have to matter? We're just gassing.

 

[Weiley31]

Uh... I must have missed the part of the PHB where it explains that.

Ah, well ya see it's ri-phone rings oh wait it's Elminster. Now I gotta hear how he saved the world again. And how a group of wacked out murderhobos were involved for some strange reason instead of minding their own business.