D&D 4E Would 4E be Popular?

[The Sophist]

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As for it's World Wide popularity, I wouldn't dispute that at all. It brought many friends of mine who hadn't played in awhile back to the game, but they moved on to Castles and Crusades.

Isn't Castles and Crusades the 5th edition of D&D?

 

[Turanil]

So I ask the ENWorld hordes: What is 4E going to have to do to either get you to buy it and to smooth over relations with the gamers that aren't going to look upon 4E with anything other than anger?

Well, currently I am really fed up with D&D. As such, it needs to be published much later (2007) for me being interested in it. Then they must try some new way of layout and art, so I really feel this is different. need not so much alter the rules though. For example I had all the 2e books in good shape (and still have), but nonetheless bought the new printings (the black set of 2e books), just for collection.

I would be more interested in a d20 Modern 2e that would be streamlined and updated to 3.5 though.

 

[Rasyr]

Quite wrong.

Does anyone remember the original Psionics Handbook, Sword and Fist and Tome and Blood? They definitely showed a lack of true mastery of the 3e system.

As an example, in the Psionics Handbook, no prestige class had a incomplete psionics progression - the idea of not having "+1 manifester level" on every level had not occurred to Bruce Cordell. It was only once he started work on Tome & Blood that such occured to him.

Hmm.. it seems that we are talking about two different things here. I am talking about the guys who actually design the system itself (the big three credited for 3.0 -- Tweet, Cook, & Williams), not later authors who are also called "designers" in many cases.

Additionally, your example is showing the evolution of a concept, not a lack of understanding of the rules.

As I said before, the designers of the system would know the rules, but other authors, both in-house and out, would not.

 

[Psion]

Isn't Castles and Crusades the 5th edition of D&D?

No.

 

[diaglo]

Isn't Castles and Crusades the 5th edition of D&D?

as much as 4ed is Hackmaster.

 

[Kanegrundar]

Isn't Castles and Crusades the 5th edition of D&D?

Nope, not by a long shot.

 

[buzz]

Kanegrundar is wise.

I don't agree. WotC is not going down the same road as TSR (WotC are far too competent for that). I also think his estimation of the breakdown of players among the various d20 games is off. That a whole community standardized on a single house system can be consiered "spintered" is self-contradictory.

But, hey, let's keep bashing...

 

[The Sophist]

as much as 4ed is Hackmaster.

So only diaglo got the joke. Sad.

 

[Kanegrundar]

I don't agree. WotC is not going down the same road as TSR (WotC are far too competent for that). I also think his estimation of the breakdown of players among the various d20 games is off. That a whole community standardized on a single house system can be consiered "spintered" is self-contradictory.

But, hey, let's keep bashing...

So were all the 2E settings, and a factioning of the player base happened. That was one of the things that WotC stated that they didn't want to happen, but it's happening anyway. Sure, there appears to be more cross-pollinization among the various sub-systems and settings, but there is still a sizable number of players that stick to one D20 ruleset or the other. I could be wrong, and for WotC's sake I hope I am.

I don't consider it bashing, just discussing the points that I see.

Kane

 

[Kanegrundar]

So only diaglo got the joke. Sad.

<shrugs> Wasn't much of a joke.