would a paladin hate a cleric of wee jas? vice-versa?

[Hypersmurf]

Good cleric of Wee Jas can channel positive energy. LN clerics, unlike other Neutrals, don't get a choice, and must channel negative.

'sright. The exceptions are LN clerics of Wee Jas (negative), LN clerics of St Cuthbert (positive), and LN / N / CN clerics of Obad-Hai (positive). NE clerics of Obad-Hai channel negative, and LG clerics of Wee Jas channel positive, and there are no LE clerics of St Cuthbert.

-Hyp.

 

[Particle_Man]

So it looks like, RAW, a paladin and an LG cleric of Wee Jas would get along fine.

A paladin and an LN cleric of Wee Jas would get along fine, so long as the LN cleric of Wee Jas never, ever rebuked undead (or otherwise channelled negative energy), to the best of the paladin's knowledge (kinda restrictive here), and never, ever used spells that had the [evil] descriptor (including some of the spells from the Death domain).

A paladin and an LE cleric of Wee Jas would have problems.

Also, likely the cleric of Wee Jas would be better off with the Law and Magic domains and skip the Death domain entirely, if a paladin is in the party.

 

[Hypersmurf]

A paladin and an LN cleric of Wee Jas would get along fine, so long as the LN cleric of Wee Jas never, ever rebuked undead (or otherwise channelled negative energy), to the best of the paladin's knowledge (kinda restrictive here), and never, ever used spells that had the [evil] descriptor (including some of the spells from the Death domain).

Not necessarily.

Associates: While she may adventure with characters of any good or neutral alignment, a paladin will never knowingly associate with evil characters, nor will she continue an association with someone who consistently offends her moral code.

The LN cleric is not an evil character, so doesn't fall under the 'never knowingly associate' clause.

If rebuking undead or casting Deathwatch counts as 'offending the paladin's moral code', it's only a problem if the cleric does it consistently.

-Hyp.

 

[Testament]

Yet another good reason to use the Repose domain.

 

[werk]

'sright. The exceptions are LN clerics of Wee Jas (negative), LN clerics of St Cuthbert (positive), and LN / N / CN clerics of Obad-Hai (positive). NE clerics of Obad-Hai channel negative, and LG clerics of Wee Jas channel positive, and there are no LE clerics of St Cuthbert.

-Hyp.

Inflict Light Wounds
When laying your hand upon a creature, you channel negative energy...

Now if a good or neutral cleric casts an inflict wounds spell, aren't they channelling negative energy for that? I know that they can not spontaneously cast inflicts, except for the neutral examples above, but if even touching negative energy is a no-no for non-evil casters (especially if they have pally pals), that will cost them a few spells that are nice to have...like Harm...or should it shift them towards neutral with repeated use?

 

[Nail]

It's from the SRD, Combat section.

Would ya look at that......

Even if a cleric is neutral, channeling positive energy is a good act and channeling negative energy is evil.

Huh.

So no Inflict X Wounds for good clerics, eh? (At least consistantly doing such a thing) Ditto Harm. So where is the [Evil] descriptor on that spell? Grrrrrrrr.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

So no Inflict X Wounds for good clerics, eh?

No, they can do it. Channeling negative energy is Evil. It doesn't mean that any spell that channels negative energy is an Evil spell - just that, if you do it, you've committed an Evil act.

Clerics of Good gods are not prohibited from performing Evil acts, they're prohibited from casting Evil spells.

EDIT:

Otherwise, clerics of evil gods couldn't heal wounds, either.

 

[werk]

Clerics of Good gods are not prohibited from performing Evil acts...

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

Well, are they?

Sure, it's discouraged, but it's not outright forbidden. A cleric of a Good god cannot cast an [Evil] spell. His or her god just won't grant it. It's not possible to do.

There's nothing preventing a cleric of Pelor or Torm from slaughtering an orphanage. Sure, Pelor and Torm won't be happy, but that's a different matter.

 

[Jack of Shadows]

I can't speak for the RAW,

But I tend to use Wee Jas fairly strongly in my campaigns. One of the conventions I picked up from raiding the net was the idea aof various sects of the faith. The Weetian sect tends toward darker aspects of the Stern Ladie's dominions while the Jassian sect tends to the brighter side. Both sides will raise and create dead. The Weetians with a slavery mentality and the Jassian's more as a form of ancestor worship. A Jassian will never create a chaotic undead because such a thing would be seen as against the Ruby Sorceresses' wishes. On the other hand a Weetian WOULD create a chaotic undead under the belief that so long as such a creation is bound they can be used to create order (but they'd still be treading on thin ice in most cases).

Wee Jas' worshipper's are plainly creepy but they are also strong upholders of order. They have strong ties to governments and judiciary organizations.

In that vein the Jassians in my campaign have a group of paladins called the Order of the Veil. They are used to hunt down those who have extended their lives unnaturally and without the permission of the Church.

Now a more traditional Paladin teamed with a Wee Jassian priest will work very well together up holding justice and law but will differ on the way that it should be done. In my opinion you can see this as a Superman and Batman relationship. They both know the other is trying to do the right thing but they disagree on each other's methods.

In my current campaign I have a player with a priestess of Wee Jas. I also have a cleric of Kord and an initiate of Bahamut (Both are relatively minor due to multiclassing). They've managed to keep to their faiths by having the priestess agree to only animate non-humanoids. ('Course now she has a skeletal bulette that she uses as a walking tent).

Anyways, this is how I've tweaked it. 'Course I've also always believed that Paladin's teach by example and not by force.