Wounding and Regeneration

[Acerbus]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but I couldn't find anything on the subject. How do wounding weapons and regeneration interact? For example, could you kill a troll with a plain old +1 Wounding Longsword by bringing its constitution to 0?

Relevant passages from the SRD:

Regeneration Creatures with this extraordinary ability recover from wounds quickly and can even regrow or reattach severed body parts. Damage dealt to the creature is treated as nonlethal damage, and the creature automatically cures itself of nonlethal damage at a fixed rate.

Certain attack forms, typically fire and acid, deal damage to the creature normally; that sort of damage doesn’t convert to nonlethal damage and so doesn’t go away. The creature’s description includes the details.

Creatures with regeneration can regrow lost portions of their bodies and can reattach severed limbs or body parts. Severed parts die if they are not reattached.

Regeneration does not restore hit points lost from starvation, thirst, or suffocation.

Attack forms that don’t deal hit point damage ignore regeneration.

An attack that can cause instant death only threatens the creature with death if it is delivered by weapons that deal it lethal damage.

Wounding: A wounding weapon deals 1 point of Constitution damage from blood loss when it hits a creature. A critical hit does not multiply the Constitution damage. Creatures immune to critical hits (such as plants and constructs) are immune to the Constitution damage dealt by this weapon.

 

[CyberSpyder]

The rules seem to indicate fairly strongly that yes, you could.

 

[UltimaGabe]

Yup. Although it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, rule-wise, Regeneration does absolutely nothing against a Wounding weapon. Interesting, huh?

 

[werk]

I see your question tho...it says that the wounding weapon causes "Constitution damage from blood loss."

Now we can speculate wildly whether subdual damage can cause blood loss.

SRD-Nonlethal damage: 'It is not "real" damage.' I would think that you would need to suffer from "real" damage before you bleed to death...

 

[UltimaGabe]

I see your question tho...it says that the wounding weapon causes "Constitution damage from blood loss."

Now we can speculate wildly whether subdual damage can cause blood loss.

SRD-Nonlethal damage: 'It is not "real" damage.' I would think that you would need to suffer from "real" damage before you bleed to death...

The "Blood loss" part is purely flavor text. It deals Constitution damage, which a Troll (or other creature with regeneration) is susceptible to.

 

[Patryn of Elvenshae]

The "Blood loss" part is purely flavor text. It deals Constitution damage, which a Troll (or other creature with regeneration) is susceptible to.

Are you sure it's just flavor text?

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=135736

 

[dedicated]

People get into the longest arguments over flavor text, it's kind of sad.

Yes, you can,

 

[LordBOB]

my $.02 worth. The Wounding ability does constitution damage. IF a player, or creature, doesnt have a Constitution score than they die PERIOD!

 

[glass]

my $.02 worth. The Wounding ability does constitution damage. IF a player, or creature, doesnt have a Constitution score than they die PERIOD!

(emphasis mine).

Wow, you run a harsh game!

EDIT: Slightly more seriously, creatures without Constitution scores are immune to Constitution damage (and can't have regeneration).


glass.

 

[glass]

The "Blood loss" part is purely flavor text. It deals Constitution damage, which a Troll (or other creature with regeneration) is susceptible to.

How do you know? Flavour text is not called out in a different type style like it is onM:tG cards.

AFAIAC, wounding does Con damage dues to excessive blood loss: no blood loss, no Con damage. Of course I can not prove that it is not 'just' flavour text any more than you can prove it is, so neither side of the argument is definitive.


glass.