D&D 5E Wow! No more subraces. The Players Handbook races reformat to the new race format going forward.

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The problem is that if you do anything to represent greater strength, they would also have a corresponding strength bonus to stat to represent that in the world. Otherwise you end up with "We are stronger, but not actually stronger."

I think having prof, expertise, adv to Strength rolls and perhaps greater carrying capacity does make you "stronger". Just not in combat or DPR. Some Goliath character would still be allowed to add their plus 2 to Strength.

 

[Maxperson]

I think having prof, expertise, adv to Strength rolls and perhaps greater carrying capacity does make you "stronger". Just not in combat or DPR.

The physicality of those things would translate into a bonus to the strength score. Strength score also represents greater or lesser strength in the game world. If you have a big, strong race, they have abilities related to strength AND a higher average strength score(racial str bonus).

Some Goliath character would still be allowed to add their plus 2 to Strength.

And yet the race as a whole, despite those things you describe, would still not be any stronger than halflings with regard to actual strength.

 

[Minigiant]

The problem is that if you do anything to represent greater strength, they would also have a corresponding strength bonus to stat to represent that in the world. Otherwise you end up with "We are stronger, but not actually stronger."

That's why the goliath or orc isn't stronger anymore. They can lift more with the same level of strength because their bodies are bigger.

You 10 STR runt orc is still 6 foot 6 200lbs+

Races and subraces are being made seperate from culture and ability scores for more DM and Player freedom. Instead of getting all the bonuses of a ability score, races and subraces will get only one aspect of ability.

Dwarves will just get HP over +CON
Orcs and Golaiths will get size category increases over +STR
Halflings might just get Evasion over +Dex

 

[Minigiant]

nd yet the race as a whole, despite those things you describe, would still not be any stronger than halflings with regard to actual strength.

They can lift double that of a halfling. They just won't get more + to hit/damage

 

[Scribe]

They can lift double that of a halfling. They just won't get more + to hit/damage

Which makes no sense whatsoever, but oh well.

 

[Minigiant]

Which makes no sense whatsoever, but oh well.

How so?

A goliath is twice as tall as a halfling and seven times as heavy. Their bodies can support more weight. However an individual goliath might have noodle arms and not be strong enough to move their big limbs well.

I've witnessed many tall folk with little ability to leverage their low strength on the court. Can lift but no control and easy to back down. Hack like crazy.

 

[Maxperson]

That's why the goliath or orc isn't stronger anymore. They can lift more with the same level of strength because their bodies are bigger.

You 10 STR runt orc is still 6 foot 6 200lbs+

Then why isn't a str 10 6 foot 6, 200+lb human able to carry what a large creature can? He has the same physicality as the goliath.

Races and subraces are being made seperate from culture and ability scores for more DM and Player freedom. Instead of getting all the bonuses of a ability score, races and subraces will get only one aspect of ability.

The best way to do it is to give them both. Since only giving one without the actual score being better is nonsensical.

 

[Maxperson]

How so?

A goliath is twice as tall as a halfling and seven times as heavy. Their bodies can support more weight. However an individual goliath might have noodle arms and not be strong enough to move their big limbs well.

Noodle arms means noodle legs, which means noodle carrying ability.

 

[Scribe]

How so?

A goliath is twice as tall as a halfling and seven times as heavy. Their bodies can support more weight. However an individual goliath might have noodle arms and not be strong enough to move their big limbs well.

I've witnessed many tall folk with little ability to leverage their low strength on the court. Can lift but no control and easy to back down. Hack like crazy.

Yeah, its all been said before.

Yet even with noodle arms, they have 'powerful build'.

Its nonsense. It's always been nonsense, and it will forever be nonsense.

Goliath's should on average be stronger than Halflings, and it should be reflected everywhere.

The fact you could have a 17 str Halfling at level 1, and an 8 str Goliath, will never be not nonsensical. That Wizards has cast their lot in on this absolute travesty of a design path is what it is, but it will never make sense if you try and look at it from a world building perspective, ever.

Thankfully, canon no longer matters, lore doesnt matter, 'race origins' are whatever you decide, height and weight are now 'something human like' and so that 6 foot tall 200 pound 'halfling' is just as valid as a 5 foot tall, 140 pound 'goliath'.

Hurrah for progress.

 

[Minigiant]

Then why isn't a str 10 6 foot 6, 200+lb human able to carry what a large creature can? He has the same physicality as the goliath.

Maybe they should.

But I'd say a str 10 6 foot 6, 200+lb human is a goliath.

I mean Goliath was just a huge human.

The best way to do it is to give them both. Since only giving one without the actual score being better is nonsensical.

The point is that you should be able to make weak goliaths and orc runts as casters and rogues.

That's why they are taking culture out. You can have an orc country where the "runts" are given to the shamans, scouts, and witches instead on the default lore where they are "killed".

Noodle arms means noodle legs, which means noodle carrying ability.

The comparison is between halfling, humans, and goliaths of the same STR. The 8 STR goliath can lift more than the 8 STR halfling.

That's the issue. If Joe rolls a 8 with his halfling and gets +2 to DEX and John rolls a 6 with his goliath and get +2 to STR, both are 8 Strength.

But it makes no sense that an 8 strength halfling lifts the same as an 8 strength goliath.