Xanathars guide
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pdegan2814
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pukunui
Legend
But I already suggested it upthread! (See post #11)This is probably the best answer so far
Or you can wait till his back is turned and SNEAK ATTACK!
hawkeyefan
Legend
I can understand a DM wanting to know what content the players may use. But any subclass consists of about 5 abilities or so, and none seems so powerful as to really skew things so much. And I also think that when all the players in a game want something, then the DM should probably consider it.
I agree with the others who’ve mentioned buying him a copy.
xxluzdarkxx
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jmucchiello
Hero
TPK? Did you know the terrain before going in? Did you know the beholder was there? IOW, did you not have a chance because the DM railroaded you or because the party was not cautious enough?
Or did you not once you realised you were in way over your head retreat! Not all encounters are designed to be "balanced" vs party level/abilities and not everything needs to be tackled head on so I'm not judging your DM's rulings but am questioning the players decision making.
As for using the book, his table, his rules. If he doesn't want to use it then you've 2 options:
1) find another game
2) Try DMing yourself.
My rule for the past 30 years has been simple (through 2e, 3e and now 5e) PHB only. That's the beginning and end of all spalyt book discussions. I've bought Xanathar's and may allow bits of it to be used on a case by case basis but there is nothing forcing me as DM to accept it.
When my players grumble about my old school race/class limits, as they do occasionally, my reply is simple. If you don't like it find another DM. I've been running my campaign(s) for 30+ years I'm not allowing dwarven wizards, dragonborn or whatever their latest "fad" is. We do discuss and negotiate a lot of stuff but when it comes to classes/races or books that will impact on my long established campaign history/canon/verisimilitude etc the answer is likley to be a no with an explanation of why not.
IMO Owning a non core book does not give you the right to demand you DM allow it. However, if you show it to your DM and the class option you want to try and why you'd like to play it then maybe, just maybe, they will relent.
Stormdale
jmucchiello
Hero
I was questioning both. He made it sound like the beholder was not only above their pay grade but in a room that pinned them all down in front of its big eye. So while, yes, retreat is always an option, it sounded like it wasn't an option here.
IgnatiusJ.Reilly
Explorer
I'm not really comfortable with Xanathar's Guide's stuff yet either, but we'll see.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
It’s a wildly uneasonable stance.
S
Sunseeker
Guest
To not allow books you are not familiar with in play? To not allow books you don't own to be used?
The DM gets to set what is available to be used in his game. The fact that WotC printed it doesn't mean he has to allow it. The books themselves even say exactly that.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
You need to talk to the other players, see if they feel the same way you do, and then talk to the DM about this.
It sounds like he’s turning into a railroader with a “me vs the PCs” mentality, and the only fix for that is communication.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
4 players have the book. They’ve all offered to let him borrow it.
The fact that he doesn’t have to do a thing doesn’t mean that not doing it is reasonable.
Not allowing a book simply because you don’t personally own it, when getting ahold of it is very easy, is beyond unreasonable.
S
Sunseeker
Guest
No, it really isn't, but I'm aware you have like, the lowest definition of "unreasonable" I've ever seen so this really isn't a discussion I'm interested in continuing.
Marius Delphus
Adventurer
This is the alarming part, to me. The book thing seems like just a symptom of this DM's need to "win."
DMs like this typically won't offer their players anything they consider an "edge." I wouldn't be surprised if this DM, given XGtE as a gift, said, "can't use until I've had a chance to read it over," then "can't use until the next campaign," then "everything in here is banninated." And then blames the players for "making me take this step because of all the badgering."
The deeper problem isn't the source material being allowed for PC creation, it's the DM's attitude toward the players. This DM may be too new to realize that the player characters are basically supposed to win. Not overwhelmingly, not every time, not without the potential for setbacks along the way, not necessarily with ease, but more often than not. And that the game is supposed to be fun for everyone who's playing, not just the DM.
In my view, this DM needs rehabilitation more than a new book. JMHO. HTH. HAND.
xxluzdarkxx
First Post
The beholder also went first in combat which at the beginning had my character pinned to a wall and two others petrified. There wasn't really a chance of retreat. On my turn I failed the save. Then got death rayed, and died. The other two got turned to stone.
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Parmandur
Book-Friend
Sounds like he's fishing for a Christmas gift.
doctorbadwolf
Heretic of The Seventh Circle
This thread, and ones like it, is why I advocate having multiple DMs in every group.
This DM needs to get over himself, borrow the damn book, and stop focusing on getting “an edge” over the player characters.
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r just borrow the damn thing
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