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Yet Another Lonely-Gamer Thread UPDATE 7-8!!!!

TheUnknownSoul said:
Course, I didn't PHRASE it like that. And its a bit of a white lie (If she made up her mind tomorrow, I'd be ready, life-be-damned) but it sets her up in the position of "if I want more out of this relationship, I need to make a move" rather than "I can have everything anyway cuz he's crazy bout me".

That aura of detachment TB was talkin about.

Well, if that's what TB meant, he and I will have to disagree.

This does *not* set up the position where she needs to make a move. It sets up the position where she's supposed to hold off until you say otherwise. But, you *want* her to not do that, right?

That is a bit of a classic - say one thing, and hope the other person does the opposite. Usually this is termed "passive aggressive". It steps your relationship right into the place of making your partner always wonder what the heck you actually want them to do. Bad mojo.
 

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Harmon said:
The quotes around girlfriend was meant as a girlfriend that you pay for her time ;)
Lol, I should have known.

TheUnknownSoul, I agree with the others here... it seems like you're taking a step back, not forwards. Either choose to drop her as a friend, or choose to persue her. And if you want a romantic relationship, don't be shy and passive. It makes her feel unwanted and unattractive. Like it or not, it's the way our culture and society is. I've never met a woman who, in the end, didn't want a assertive strong man. What women want, all women from the idiots to the geniuses, is a good father for their children. It's in the genes, there's no fighting it. Passive and submissive men tend not to be good providers or protectors.

I'm of the opinion that doesn't mean that you have to be a jerk or inconsiderate. There's quite a bit of wiggle room in there, but the core needs to be build on confidence not insecurities.
 
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OK, here's advice on both fronts.

Your first goal is to win her. TB is exactly right, you need to act like a cliched Male. Being distant isn't the only key, though - or rather, physical distance isn't. You DO NOT want her to forget you. If you disappear for 6 months, she's not going to sit around and pine. Really. She'll find some loveless relationship to move into, and you'll find out about it 5 months too late. So, no. Keep seeing her. Keep hanging out. But do it with other people. Make it clear it's a "friends" thing, not a "special touchy-feely friends" thing. Be present, be helpful, be FUN, but give her NO special attention. (If you can arrange to go out in mixed sex groups of single people, even better -- she may get territorial and move closer to you to mark you as "hers" without even being aware of it).

If you can afford it, buy drinks, or dinner, or tickets, for everyone. AAA has discount movie tickets.

Do NOT discuss sex, or a "serious" relationship, or any of that crap. In fact, do not discuss your life with her. Talk about her life everytime, anytime.

Talk to your mom, your sister, your other friends' sisters or moms -- and figure out what looks good on you. If you don't know, learn how to dress yourself well. Probably 99% of the women you know would love to make you over, or at least sit around and give advice on how to make you over (get several opinions). Watch "What Not To Wear" (TLC, I think). Black is boring. Set the standard for your group of friends.

You don't want to be her best friend. You want to be the best guy she knows.

Your OTHER goal is to win OTHER women. Much of the same advice applies. But here's a secret.

The world is full of women.

Conversation is as much body language as spoken word (if not more). When you're speaking to someone, be aware of how you are posed and what you're doing. ALWAYS be interested in what the other person is saying. Talk to bank tellers, cashiers, and everyone else you meet. "How're you doing/How's your day/How are you?" is the classic cliche; it's easy and familiar to say. Most people drop it there, but it gives you a really easy opening into a conversation.

"How're you doing?"
"Good"
"Seems busy/quiet in here.../Isn't the weather great/sucky today?.../Good looking dog, may I (pet it)?"

As the owner of two dogs, I'll second that as a way to meet people (not just women). Even if you don't own a dog, find out where people go to let their dogs run (there'll be a park or something), and go and hang out. Get a dog book, so you don't call a "basenji" a "bengy" (happened to me today, and no, it's not a basenji. That's the other dog. This is a feist.)

Dancing is also good. No one else in the introductory class can dance either, but at least you're trying (I've taken a year of dance in college, plus some line dancing and ceildh dancing, and I still can't dance). Do not go to "clubs", unless you go with friends. That's not dancing.

Bookstores aren't bad, but people aren't usually there to talk. The only way I've met women in a bookstore is when they're frantically searching the sci-fi section for a gift. Some kind of book club would be better.

Also, I'll second moving south. I live in New England, but have spent time in Alabama, and the social culture is...different. Seriously.

Anyways, good luck. I had my cat put to sleep a number of years ago, and hung out talking to the receptionist afterwards for awhile (8 AM friday morning. Not in a rush to go to work.) Asked her to call me if anyone came in with kittens they wanted to adopt out. She called next day, I stopped by to ask a few pet questions (my previous cat had died of a disease; I needed to know if I should sterilize stuff), and (after a long time summoning up my courage), asked her (complete stranger, but cute) out to dinner.

That was 9 years ago; we've been married for the last 3. She doesn't play D&D; I don't play volleyball. I had the cats, she had the dog (I still have the cats, we now have 2 dogs).

Cheers
Nell.
 

Dark Jezter said:
1) The Gym. Going to the gym serves two purposes; first of all, it gets you in shape, which makes you more attractive to women. Second, it's also a good place to meet women.
Never had any luck dating women in a gym, but being in shape definitely makes me feel more confident with women.
8) A Dance Class. Okay, I don't know if I could ever bring myself to do this one, but I've heard from others that if you sign up for a dance class, you will meet a lot of attractive women who are in great physical shape. It's definately something worth considering.
Dancing is one of the classic ways to show that you're a man. In dance, the man leads the woman. The woman doesn't decide what the next move is going to be - the man does. Always. Plus, you rotate partners every couple of minutes. In a beginners class, you'll end up dancing with 20+ women. If I wasn't attached, I'd be straight back to salsa classes.
10) The Internet. I've never tried it out before and don't realy have a desire to (I prefer asking girls out in-person), but I do know a few people who have had good experiences with internet dating sites like Match.com or Yahoo Personals.
I've found dating sites to be a very convenient way to arrange dates. I've met some great women, and had some nightmare dates. The nightmare dates make great stories to tell to my friends :)

Cheers,
Liam
 

You know the day is a strange one where you find yourself agreeing with Rel and QueenD both on the same thread (not that QueenD doesn't normally have good advice).
;)
[bad advice]

Be friends with her, but don't date her. Find a nice girl, date her, and make this friend jealous. If she has feelings for you this will bring it out. If not, well at least your dating someone and getting "dating experience".

Pining for someone that doesn't feel the same (and gives mixed signals) can only lead to heartbreak.
[/bad advice]
 

ssampier said:
You know the day is a strange one where you find yourself agreeing with Rel and QueenD both on the same thread (not that QueenD doesn't normally have good advice).

You are clear about the fact that I'm fully capable of banning you, right? ;)
 




ssampier said:
Be friends with her, but don't date her. Find a nice girl, date her, and make this friend jealous. If she has feelings for you this will bring it out. If not, well at least your dating someone and getting "dating experience".

"So, how do you know if it's dating or just dating experience?"

"Well, that's obvious. If you're still single afterwards, it was just dating experience."


Hong "only REAL Alan Moore fans will get this joke" Ooi
 

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