You are all GODS!!

[Sunking]

bugger hadent thought of that...

well it aint as bad since it's still gonna cost xp, and we only have X number of free xp to use each week but a little alarming yes.

Luckly we have none aspering for that domain yet if im not mistaken (pun-pun intendet)

 

[Rathan]

Guys.... alter reality is NOT that bad...... now... It WOULD be if you didn't have the rest times etc.... but basically it allows you to cast any spell with no more skill or grace that a wizard and sorcerer.... Most of the abilities are temporary... and can only be made permanent with huge wait times..... then the God or Goddess has to wait DAYS to recover...... this SDA is NOT broken and I plan on taking it in fact.... I will not hide my bias on this... there are very few SDA's that fit my character concept.. I would like it if you would not thin my list even further than it already is.... If you have a level headed PC on your hands he/she will not abuse this SDA.

You have to realize here we're not playing 20th level characters... nor epic characters... we are playing GODS and GODDESSES.... we are supposed to be that powerful!... And with power comes responsibility.... if we do something cheesy or too powerful.... then there should be IC repercussions for a Gods actions... that's what the game is all about.... cause and effect in making a new world!

 

[Voda Vosa]

Speaking of the game. When do we start? I'm growing impatient. At least the RP grey mist or whatever!

 

[Roman]

after the Divine Salient Ability: alter reality was mentioned i look over all of the DSA´s and found it was the only broken in my opinion (if anybody have another opinion just come with it so we can look at it now)

My sygestion

alter reality requirs divine rank 11. its just to powerfull to lesser gods.

Yes, it is awesomely powerful. I would even go further in fixing it than you. See my suggestion at the end of this post.

I think that is a good suggestion. Although I can mention that if one takes Luck domain, you got access to the Wish spell at will....

True, but as Sunking pointed out, there is an XP cost to casting the Wish spell unlike Alter Reality, which not only does not cost XP to duplicate normal spells, but also obviates the need for XP when you are duplicating spells that would normally have an XP cost... including the Wish... Alter Reality also removes the need for any material components.

Furthermore, Wish can only duplicate wizard/sorcerer spells of 8th level or lower, whereas Alter Reality can duplicate 9th level spells. On top of that, wish can only duplicate Cleric, Druid and other spells of 6th level or lower, while Alter Reality can duplicate 9th level spells from these and all other classes too. Heck, it even allows the usage of all metamagic feats for free - without even any need to take them.

Guys.... alter reality is NOT that bad...... now... It WOULD be if you didn't have the rest times etc.... but basically it allows you to cast any spell with no more skill or grace that a wizard and sorcerer.... Most of the abilities are temporary... and can only be made permanent with huge wait times..... then the God or Goddess has to wait DAYS to recover...... this SDA is NOT broken and I plan on taking it in fact.... I will not hide my bias on this... there are very few SDA's that fit my character concept.. I would like it if you would not thin my list even further than it already is.... If you have a level headed PC on your hands he/she will not abuse this SDA.

You have to realize here we're not playing 20th level characters... nor epic characters... we are playing GODS and GODDESSES.... we are supposed to be that powerful!... And with power comes responsibility.... if we do something cheesy or too powerful.... then there should be IC repercussions for a Gods actions... that's what the game is all about.... cause and effect in making a new world!

Don't get me wrong, I think Alter Reality is a very cool ability and its flavor also fits many of the godlings we are creating. I also agree that we are supposed to be extremely powerful. The problem is that it makes taking levels in Wizard, Sorceror, Cleric (and Psion if Psionics is used) completely redundant (Druid only partially redundant, since he also has wildshape apart from spells) - it utterly and completely duplicates all of the main abilities, all spells, of all these classes. Unless, of course, I am missing something in the description of the SDA.

Here is my suggestion. Let's modify the Alter Reality SDA as follows:

Requirements: Charisma 29 (unchanged from original requirements), Divine Spellcasting SDA, Spontaneous Wizard Spells SDA, Divine Rank 16 (this is a power of greater gods)
Description: As in the Deities & Demigods book, but the ability does not obviate the need for paying XP and material costs. Also, application of metamagic feats requires that the character possess the feats to be applied.

(Notes: Divine Spellcasting SDA requires spellcaster level 20 and Spontaneous Wizard Spells grants/makes all Wizard spells castable spontaneously [but wizards still need the levels and intelligence to cast them], so I think these are really appropriate pre-requisites for the Alter Reality SDA)

As described above, I think the Alter Reality SDA would no longer remove the need to take spellcaster levels (be they wizard, sorcerer, cleric or druid… or even psion), would retain its flavor and no longer be overpowered compared to other SDAs, yet still be very useful.

 

[Theroc]

Hm... having trouble deciding on Traits for this god. lol. I actually have more traits than I know what to do with, it seems.

 

[GlassEye]

Hm... having trouble deciding on Traits for this god. lol. I actually have more traits than I know what to do with, it seems.

Do you mean you want to buy more traits than you have points? Or vice versa? My problem was that I wanted several traits and felt I needed to spend a lot of trait points to improve ability scores also. With charisma being a prime stat because of all the divine charisma bonuses added to saves, etc., I just didn't have enough to do all I wanted.

 

[Sunking]

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from now on when i speak on matters as co-dm it will be in purple so you can se if it official or just my personal oppinion in the discusion
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Here is my suggestion. Let's modify the Alter Reality SDA as follows:

Requirements: Charisma 29 (unchanged from original requirements), Divine Spellcasting SDA, Arcane Mastery SDA, Divine Rank 16 (this is a power of greater gods)
Description: As in the Deities & Demigods book, but the ability does not obviate the need for paying XP and material costs. Also, application of metamagic feats requires that the character possess the feats to be applied.

(Notes: Divine Spellcasting SDA requires spellcaster level 20 and Arcane Mastery grants all Wizard spells [but wizards still need the levels and intelligence to cast them], so I think these are really appropriate pre-requisites for the Alter Reality SDA)

As described above, I think the Alter Reality SDA would no longer remove the need to take spellcaster levels (be they wizard, sorcerer, cleric or druid… or even psion), would retain its flavor and no longer be overpowered compared to other SDAs, yet still be very useful.

Ill second that suggestion since that also was my biggest problem with it...

yes we are all gods and all powerfull but the DMG also states that if somthing is that good that evryone wanna take it its to good, and alter reality is that good.

 

[Theroc]

Do you mean you want to buy more traits than you have points? Or vice versa? My problem was that I wanted several traits and felt I needed to spend a lot of trait points to improve ability scores also. With charisma being a prime stat because of all the divine charisma bonuses added to saves, etc., I just didn't have enough to do all I wanted.

Ohsnap, did not notice I could use trait points to increase ability scores. Nevermind, I'll definitely be able to find places to use trait points.

 

[Frozen Messiah]

Speaking of the game. When do we start? I'm growing impatient. At least the RP grey mist or whatever!

I know how you feel VV, I submitted my character a day or 2 after yours. First in, longest wait I geuss. I have my character sheet ready enough to play (sorcerer spells can be chosen quickly, we don't have salient abilities yet) except for equipment. That is what I think his holding back this game, not having a system to get equipment.

There is still a lot of give and taking going on about SDAs but that really shouldn't matter at this point because, yes some are more powerful than te others but I think we should face that problem when we get to it. Rathan had the right idea when he said there should be in game consequences to it, because in my mind there are 2 things you should never wantonly screw with: Time and Reality.

 

[Roman]

I am about to post my concept. I would welcome any suggestions, thoughts and comments.