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Nellisir said:
Just for kicks, can you give us the written description and info of the secondary worg monster, the one right after "worg" (I think it starts with a "Y")? Not the stat block, just the "fluff" text.
Nice one :D. There isn't any. There's only a tactics section that tells us that a guulvorg prefers to make bite attacks against single foes and if engaged by two or more enemies, it uses guulvorg fury. Although the lore section does impart the crucial information that Guulvorgs are often encountered in pairs (a male and a female) and are capable of bearing Large riders into battle.

That's pretty sparse by anyone's standards.

Mind you, we could always use the worg info... ;)
 

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Mark Hope said:
Nice one :D. There isn't any. There's only a tactics section that tells us that a guulvorg prefers to make bite attacks against single foes and if engaged by two or more enemies, it uses guulvorg fury. Although the lore section does impart the crucial information that Guulvorgs are often encountered in pairs (a male and a female) and are capable of bearing Large riders into battle.

That's pretty sparse by anyone's standards.

Mind you, we could always use the worg info... ;)

So I take that to mean "can appear anywhere". Excellent :)

Half empty/half full. I'm an optimist
 



Imaro said:
In fact my brother chuckled a little after looking over the PHB and said "This seems like it's been written for someone who has never played rpg's before".
Well, for what I understand, WotC's intent is to target a young audience of teenagers, and bring new people to a game that was made for them. I am appalled by what I read about 4e, but in fact it's just the new edition is not targeted at people my age and culture. As far as I am concerned, enough laugh and hate about 4e. I will now just forget about it and let those for whom it was done enjoy it and have their fun. :6: :5: :4: :3: :2: :1: :)

End of 4e talk on my part.
 

SSquirrel said:
So I take that to mean "can appear anywhere". Excellent :)
Half empty/half full. I'm an optimist
Yes, appears anywhere. Also, eats anything, may or may not actually resemble the picture (which, other than being a quadruped, didn't look much like a worg), and enjoys an enlightened theocratically oriented society based on a love of basketweaving.

Well, that's how I'm going to write them in the next adventure I submit to Dungeon, anyways. Why not? Fluff doesn't matter.

(Actually, I lie. None of that stuff will make it into the adventure; the gullvorg encountered therein will simply be in an Exciting, Dynamic Encounter Location designed to Optimize the gullvorg's combat Powers and Allow the PCs to Utilize their at-will and per encounter Powers in a Swift but Enjoyment-Maximized Manner. And lead them into the next Exciting, Dynamic Encounter Location after a Convenient five-minute Milestone Interlude.)

<sigh>
I don't hate 4e. It's just so...corporate.
 

Back to the MM really quick to answer the three replies to my post in order:
1. Yes, it's bare, but it was designed that way. And the ecologies was only an example not a definitive pecking point. Yes the descriptions are stark, but for a purpose: For example take the Basilisk.

MM pg 26 - Basilisks are predatory reptiles that hunt with a deadly gaze attack. They are not malicious creatures but their gaze attack makes them feared.
(now we go into the mind of the DM)
Hmmm, not a whole lot to go on - no physical description, but there is a picture at the bottom. I don't like the fact that it has 8 legs, I want mine to have 6. Doesn't say it has 6...but then again it doesn't say it CAN'T have 6 either. What if the number of legs mean a different type, or maybe the legs determine the sex? ...etc...


I can't say this was the intended purpose of the design sparsity, but with everything I've seen in the other books, it sure points in that direction. Also, I like the fact that in the Encounter Groups Section it states that tamed basilisks can be found among various humanoids. No restrictions on who can or can't have them or an environment to preclude a race from having the. No rules on what makes one tame or how to tame them. It's all up to you. This I like! (But then that's just me.)

2 & 3. (since they overlap) I have to pretty much concur that ZERO direction does appear to part from the 'pick it up and play' path. I have a feeling though that any new DM will, just like in the old days kind of fall into the role naturally. I remember I DM'ed my first game without owning a DMG, a MM or a PHB, but just cobbled together some stuff from my brain and ran with it. Heck I only had 6-siders so my dice rolling was even inventive. I can see where fluff text can drive you in a direction, but as my above example shows (see #1) it isn't completely devoid of imagination sparkers either. I can't fault either of you for your opinion, but I can't completely agree with them either, so I'm not sure where this one stands with me. (Is that cool? Or more importantly does it makes sense?)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not here to say YAH!!!! It's 4e so it's better. As many of my posts have pointed out, I have some MAJOR issues with a few things, however, what I like, I like a lot, don't get me started on the stuff I don't... :cool:
 


This is 4e Warhammer Quest, not 4e Dungeons and Dragons. :)

I just remembered one of my real gripes. I think the book quality is poor compared to 3.5. When you just get them home and the covers dont lie flat, that is a bad sign. That and the editing....

Our two real gripes are book quality and editing! :)

I found the structure of the books to be a bit wierd, and have already found several mistakes. I do kinda expect better
 
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Thunderfoot said:
(now we go into the mind of the DM)
Hmmm, not a whole lot to go on - no physical description, but there is a picture at the bottom. I don't like the fact that it has 8 legs, I want mine to have 6. Doesn't say it has 6...but then again it doesn't say it CAN'T have 6 either. What if the number of legs mean a different type, or maybe the legs determine the sex? ...etc...

Aww man... I dissagree... I'd say it goes more like this:

Dude! A lizard with 6 legs! Thats friggin sweet! An it can turn a fool to stone?!?!? Six legged stoney lizard! WORD! I'ma be zappin beotches tonight with this thing!
 

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