Races and Classes--I has it!

[Scholar & Brutalman]

And I've found a really interesting bit in the wizard's feat section: There's seemingly a set of feats for each class that allow other classes to pick up stuff from a class. In the text is the example that a martial wizard can be a wizard picking up "Fighter Training" feats. And a rogue with some magic skills could be one taking "Warlock Training" or "Wizard Training" feats - these feats allow people to pick up some extras, without leaving their "original class's power and role".

This sounds like what we've heard about 4e multiclassing. Does the book say this is replacing multiclassing, or are the class training feats in addition to a seperate multiclassing system?

 

[breschau]

This sounds like what we've heard about 4e multiclassing. Does the book say this is replacing multiclassing, or are the class training feats in addition to a seperate multiclassing system?

I don't have to book, but I'd imagine they'd do both. Some people want to dabble a bit (a few Wizards Training feats for the Thief) and other want to fully mix several classes.

These are great peeks.

Anyone want to give more details about the skills?

Thanks.

 

[Vayden]

Awesome stuff, guys. Can I ask where you found the copies? I've been circling through my local FLGSs and Borders since Tuesday, and I haven't sniffed a peek yet.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Okay, cool. Thanks.

Does it say that you can get feats every other level, every level, what?

I don't think so, at least, I haven't read anything like that yet.

This sounds like what we've heard about 4e multiclassing. Does the book say this is replacing multiclassing, or are the class training feats in addition to a seperate multiclassing system?

Nothing about multiclassing. But they've said that no feats will require a class as prerequisite. Remember that Trapfinding is now a feat (i.e. a previous class ability). And don't forget that all classes will have an unified BAB/saves progression

[pure speculation]
Okay, that's pure speculation now, but I get the vibe that it's their new approach to multiclassing, especially if you keep in mind, that all classes have an unified progression - what do you get by multiclassing, if not BAB/Saves. The individual powers/class abilities and access to certain feats, right?

If all feats are class-independent (remember the Golden Wyvern adept? It just talked about wizard powers - but didn't require you to be a wizard), and you can get class-specific stuff through the Class Training feats, why multiclass?

And considering the other evidence, it makes sense: Want to play a fighter/mage? Choose a fighter, start to pick up spells through feats, and get spell-modifying stuff through other feats (i.e. Golden Wyvern Adept).

Want to be a Warlock with roguish trap monkey bent? Pick up the Trapfinding feat, and perhaps stuff like Skill Focus.
[/pure speculation]

Awesome stuff, guys. Can I ask where you found the copies? I've been circling through my local FLGSs and Borders since Tuesday, and I haven't sniffed a peek yet.

Picked it up at one of my two-and-half (the third one is really more a comic & everything geeky shop) local FLGS in Manchester, UK. Was the last book, though I don't know whether there were ones before or not. But I have visited it today for the first time for a week).

Cheers, LT.

 

[Vayden]

Curses. Probably going to have to wait until Tuesday then (traditional new book/music retail release date in the US). Thanks for all the good info though.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Anyone want to give more details about the skills?

Thanks.

Besides the stuff already said:
Folded Spot/Listen together, folded Hide/Move Silently together, folded Knowledge (arcana)/spellcraft/read magic together (now just called "Arcana"). Profession probably gone, and new skill list is about half as long as the old one.

Most classes have at least some skills that are crucial to their function, but rogues, followed by rangers, are really the guys who get the most out of skills.

Curses. Probably going to have to wait until Tuesday then (traditional new book/music retail release date in the US). Thanks for all the good info though.

I have no clue where Reaper Steve (who started the thread) lives, so it's probably not only in the UK.

Well, it's 5:21 am for me right now, and I guess I need some sleep!

Cheers, LT.

 

[Scott_Rouse]

Would you mind if LT scanned/photographed the image on page 25 of Races and Classes and posted it on the forum? That would probably be a better illustration than a miniature.

Puts down beer, takes off beanie, t-shirt, jeans. Puts on suit, tie, cap-toe shoes and thinks... no sorry go buy the book.

Dragon may have something in an article next week. I can't sanction our own guys getting scooped.

 

[Mercule]

Thanks, Scott. You rock.

I'm still not really warming up to the dragonborn. I culled halflings from 2E and 3E, though. I can cull halflings and dragonborn from 4E.

Edit: Hmm... That sounded wrong. I'll give 'em a chance and I hope they do grow on me. Just sayin' that it ain't exactly a catastrophe if they don't.

 

[WhatGravitas]

Puts down beer, takes off beanie, t-shirt, jeans. Puts on suit, tie, cap-toe shoes and thinks... no sorry go buy the book.

Dragon may have something in an article next week. I can't sanction our own guys getting scooped.

Sure thing! By the way, if I'm talking too much about it, tell me - I certainly don't want to cause too much trouble, mkay?

And, at least for me, the artwork really made the book - I'll even look at it as "artwork book", when 4E is out, together with all these Designer tidbits, because, as said above, I like Mearls' writing style (though the other designers ain't bad at all!).

"Sleep is currently overrated", LT.

 

[Scott_Rouse]

Sure thing! By the way, if I'm talking too much about it, tell me - I certainly don't want to cause too much trouble, mkay?

"Sleep is currently overrated", LT.

I love it. Thanks for promoting the book and thanks for the recaps while showing restraint in not doing the copy(scan) & paste spoiler.