D&D 5E Typically, how many hit points is the Durable feat worth?
Sword of Spirit
Legend
I think you're thinking of the Tough feat (the one that gives you +2 hp per level). The OP was asking about the Durable feat, which affects how many hit points you regain when spending HD. More difficult to analyze.
But, since you brought it up... As far as the Tough feat, I think there are some cases when it is preferable to the Con boost. An example is my character who will hopefully have rules for gestalt/AD&D/hybrid multiclassing to convert to (waiting on that variant to come out), but for the moment is planned out to end up with 7 levels fighter and 13 levels wizard. He's intended to be a front-linish type of character--at least on par with a cleric, though behind a fighter or barbarian. Unfortunately, with all of those wizard levels and multiple attribute dependency, enough hp to pull that off it going to be difficult. Getting the extra hp I need out of Tough is more attractive than getting the other bonuses out of Con with half the hps.
It's better for classes with 1d6 than those with 1d12:
Con14 (1 -> 2) = 1/6 1/8 1/10 1/12
Con16 (1,2 -> 3) = 3/6 3/8 3/10 3/12
Con18 (1,2,3 -> 4) = 6/6 6/8 6/10 6/12
Con20 (1,2,3,4 -> 5) = 10/6 10/8 10/10 10/12
For a Con18 wizard, it's worth +1 hp per HD. You might as well get Con20 with all its other bonuses.
Some example could help, so Con18 wizard rolling HD:
- roll 1 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 3 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.5 average
- roll 2 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 2 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.33 average
- roll 3 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 1 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.17 average
- roll 4 = 4+4 = 8 hp
- roll 5 = 5+4 = 9 hp
- roll 6 = 6+4 = 10 hp
Average = 8.5 hp compared to 7.5 hp without durable
Con20 would have a minimum of 1+5 = 6 hp, almost as good as Con18 + durable 8 hp.
It's really a trap feat.
Con14 (1 -> 2) = 1/6 1/8 1/10 1/12
Con16 (1,2 -> 3) = 3/6 3/8 3/10 3/12
Con18 (1,2,3 -> 4) = 6/6 6/8 6/10 6/12
Con20 (1,2,3,4 -> 5) = 10/6 10/8 10/10 10/12
For a Con18 wizard, it's worth +1 hp per HD. You might as well get Con20 with all its other bonuses.
Some example could help, so Con18 wizard rolling HD:
- roll 1 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 3 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.5 average
- roll 2 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 2 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.33 average
- roll 3 = 4+4 = 8 hp -> extra 1 hp, 1/6th of the time = +0.17 average
- roll 4 = 4+4 = 8 hp
- roll 5 = 5+4 = 9 hp
- roll 6 = 6+4 = 10 hp
Average = 8.5 hp compared to 7.5 hp without durable
Con20 would have a minimum of 1+5 = 6 hp, almost as good as Con18 + durable 8 hp.
It's really a trap feat.
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Sword of Spirit
Legend
No, it's an underwhelming and forgettable feat that sets a minimum hp recovery per HD spent at your 2x Con mod (I think--it's not worth remembering).
Pretty much. +2 Con is usually better. Tough is just there for when you don't need the Con as much as you just need a lot of hp.
Illithidbix
Explorer
Hmm. It is easily confused with the Tough feat (which gives +2hp/level).
I suppose if you're wanting to increase your Constitution to an even number and don't have a better use for the other +1 ability score, it has potential, esp. if you are already proficient in Constitution saving throws, so don't want Resilient.
It depends how much you short rest and hitdice heal in your games. A game without much magical healing might get a fair millage out of it.
It could be pretty useful for Fighters with their two extra ASI
But it still seems fairly overlookable.
Durable said:
I suppose if you're wanting to increase your Constitution to an even number and don't have a better use for the other +1 ability score, it has potential, esp. if you are already proficient in Constitution saving throws, so don't want Resilient.
It depends how much you short rest and hitdice heal in your games. A game without much magical healing might get a fair millage out of it.
It could be pretty useful for Fighters with their two extra ASI
But it still seems fairly overlookable.
Blue
Ravenous Bugblatter Beast of Traal
Not the greatest of feats, but situationally useful. If you are a low HD character who takes a lot of damage, it can reduce spells needed to heal. It does also grant +1 CON, which if you have planned ahead and have an odd CON score is useful.
This might be a better feat later, when you have already maxed your primary stat. The bonus to Con will give more HPs (1 per level if you had odd before), plus you need more to heal.
All that said, this is probably a 3rd tier feat. Not horrible, but unless you are looking at +1 to Con and have low HD it's probably not the top of your list. However in that case it may be better than +1 to Con and +1 to something else.
This might be a better feat later, when you have already maxed your primary stat. The bonus to Con will give more HPs (1 per level if you had odd before), plus you need more to heal.
All that said, this is probably a 3rd tier feat. Not horrible, but unless you are looking at +1 to Con and have low HD it's probably not the top of your list. However in that case it may be better than +1 to Con and +1 to something else.
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mellored
Legend
Durable is only worth while with an odd Con score, and no need for resilient Con or tavern brawler. (Such as already having Con saves, resilient Wis, or resilient Dex). It's a very niche, but not useless feat.
Tough is nearly identical to, but slightly worse then +2 Con. Much worse for anyone who uses Concentration saves. No particular reason for it to exist IMO. Unless you already have 20 Con and want more HP.
Tough is nearly identical to, but slightly worse then +2 Con. Much worse for anyone who uses Concentration saves. No particular reason for it to exist IMO. Unless you already have 20 Con and want more HP.
The Durable feat always seemed a bit weak. I don't see it being useful except for high risk campaigns in which healing magic is sparse and opportunities for rest are rare but sorely needed. Even then, there are probably better options.
I've considered tacking on the choice of an extra benefit that fits within the traits of durability to make it more attractive.
Options:
I've considered tacking on the choice of an extra benefit that fits within the traits of durability to make it more attractive.
Options:
- You have advantage on Constitution saving throws against diseases and poisons.
- You have advantage on Constitution saving throws to remove or resist exhaustion.
- You cannot be killed from massive damage when reduced to 0 hit points and any further or remaining damage equals or exceeds your hit point maximum. If you take damage while you have 0 hit points, you do not automatically fail the death saving throw.
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