Spellmage Sword Burst questions

[skraig]

Hi Guys,
The Sword Burst power (L1 Swordmage) has the keyword Implement, but NOT the keyword weapon. The implement used by a Swordmage is their bonded blade.
1. Does the swordmage get the proficiency bonus for the weapon?
2. Does the swordmage get the bonus of a magic wepon as an implement bonus? (i.e. a +1 longsword as a +1 implement).
3. A 1/2 elf chracter chooses a swordmage power as a dilettante power. What implement do they use. Any blade that qualifies? (they obviously have no bonded blade).

My interpretations are.
1. Only on powers with the weapon keyword so no for sword burst, yes for booming blade.
2. Yes
3. Yes

Thanks

 

[DracoSuave]

Hi Guys,
The Sword Burst power (L1 Swordmage) has the keyword Implement, but NOT the keyword weapon. The implement used by a Swordmage is their bonded blade.
1. Does the swordmage get the proficiency bonus for the weapon?

No for Sword Burst.

2. Does the swordmage get the bonus of a magic wepon as an implement bonus? (i.e. a +1 longsword as a +1 implement).

Yes.

3. A 1/2 elf chracter chooses a swordmage power as a dilettante power. What implement do they use. Any blade that qualifies? (they obviously have no bonded blade).

I don't remember off hand what the ruling for dilettante+implement powers are. If you can an implement with a wizard power from dilettante, you can use any light or heavy blade with a swordmage power.

My interpretations are.
1. Only on powers with the weapon keyword so no for sword burst, yes for booming blade.
2. Yes
3. Yes

Thanks

 

[ppaladin123]

Hi Guys,
The Sword Burst power (L1 Swordmage) has the keyword Implement, but NOT the keyword weapon. The implement used by a Swordmage is their bonded blade.
1. Does the swordmage get the proficiency bonus for the weapon?
2. Does the swordmage get the bonus of a magic wepon as an implement bonus? (i.e. a +1 longsword as a +1 implement).
3. A 1/2 elf chracter chooses a swordmage power as a dilettante power. What implement do they use. Any blade that qualifies? (they obviously have no bonded blade).

My interpretations are.
1. Only on powers with the weapon keyword so no for sword burst, yes for booming blade.
2. Yes
3. Yes

Thanks

You are right about 1&2. It says this under the implement section of the swordmage entry.

As far as half-eleves are concerned....there is no rule that says that they get to use implements for any of their dilettante powers. This is one of the reasons people consider it such a weak racial ability.

 

[DracoSuave]

Sent to CS. Awaiting reponses.

Two questions:

1) If a half-elf takes a power with the Implement keyword, can he use an implement from that class (say, a wand for wizard, or a blade for swordmage) with the dilettante-granted power?

2) Can a half-elf take a Spellscarred power?

 

[Kordeth]

3. A 1/2 elf chracter chooses a swordmage power as a dilettante power. What implement do they use. Any blade that qualifies? (they obviously have no bonded blade).

As others have pointed out, the dilettante power does not give you access to the implement use class feature of the class that power comes from. If you want to pick an implement power for your Dilettante racial ability, you should also take the multiclass feat for that class, which does allow you to use that class's implements.

Note that, because of the wording of the Implement features of the various classes, you can't "overlap" implements either. For example, if you're a half-elf wizard, you can use orbs, staffs, and wands as implements for wizard powers. If you pick up a warlock power as your Dilettante power, it won't benefit from a wand because you can only use your implements with wizard powers, not warlock powers.

 

[Kordeth]

Can a half-elf take a Spellscarred power?

I don't have my FRPG handy, but off the top of my head I don't recall there being any Spellscarred at-will powers. If my memory is correct, then the answer is no, because Dilettante only lets you learn an at-will power. If I'm wrong, then barring an explicit ruling to the contrary, the answer is yes. But I'm pretty sure I'm not wrong.

 

[WalterKovacs]

On the subject of half-elf with spellscarred ... there are no at-will attacks for spellscarred, only encounter attacks, daily attacks and utilities.

 

[Kordeth]

On the subject of half-elf with spellscarred ... there are no at-will attacks for spellscarred, only encounter attacks, daily attacks and utilities.

That's what I thought, but I wouldn't get home to check my book for another 5 or 6 hours.

So, DracoSuave, the answer to 2) is no.

 

[deleteme123456]

Also, the Swordmage multiclass feat doesn't grant use of implements with swordmage powers. So that won't help. You have to be a true swordmage to use a blade as an implement. This might be fixed in later errata, but then again, they didn't fix Ranger multiclassing yet either.

 

[skraig]

Hmmm... Can a power that has the implement keyword be used without an implement?
If the power can be used then the dilettante powers will work, just not very well at higher levels.

I am still inclined to allow it to work but since this chracter will be for an RPGA campaign I want him to be "street legal".