Prismatic Rays + Divine Oracle

[SadisticFishing]

How does this work? Two attack rolls versus all three? If he misses ANY he's dazed?

That actually makes sense to me.

Any other opinions?

(Note: I mean Terrifying Insight + an attack against Fortitude, Reflex, AND Will)

 

[Kordeth]

I assume you mean Prismatic Beams.

As I interpret it, you make one attack roll against all three Defenses, plus one extra roll that applies only to the Will portion of the attack. If both rolls miss the target's Will defense, you're dazed.

Example: Wizard casts Prismatic Beams against a monster with Fort 22, Ref 23, Will 25. Wizard rolls a 21. Wizard uses Terrifying Insight and rolls a 27. The monster is hit for the Will attack portion of the power only. Had the reroll come up 22, he would be dazed.

 

[Ander00]

How does this work? Two attack rolls versus all three? If he misses ANY he's dazed?

We've so far played it as two rolls vs. all three defenses. I don't recall a particular ruling regarding misses, but I'd say if it misses any defense, the character is dazed.


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[Byronic]

I assume you mean Prismatic Beams.

As I interpret it, you make one attack roll against all three Defenses, plus one extra roll that applies only to the Will portion of the attack. If both rolls miss the target's Will defense, you're dazed.

Example: Wizard casts Prismatic Beams against a monster with Fort 22, Ref 23, Will 25. Wizard rolls a 21. Wizard uses Terrifying Insight and rolls a 27. The monster is hit for the Will attack portion of the power only. Had the reroll come up 22, he would be dazed.

I'll second this interpretation. The attacks against Fort and Reflex are not against Will and therefore do not count for Terrific Insight.

 

[cmbarona]

I disagree. There are not separate attacks against each defense; rather, Prismatic Beams is a single attack compared to all three. The attack is against Will; it also happens to be against Reflex and Fortitude, but that's beside the point as far as Terrifying Insight is concerned. The single attack can be rolled twice, and the higher number used to determine which defenses were hit.

The next question which stems from this is, what counts as a miss? I would argue that the attack only misses if it misses all three defenses, since Terrifying Insight does not specify that the attack must miss the Will defense specifically.

 

[SadisticFishing]

I think we're going with Ander00's interpretation, as it makes more sense.

Missing any of the things makes it a missed attack, I suppose. Otherwise it's just too powerful a combination.

Rolling twice against will makes sense to, I'll actually let my player pick between the two ideas.

 

[GlaziusF]

I think we're going with Ander00's interpretation, as it makes more sense.

Missing any of the things makes it a missed attack, I suppose. Otherwise it's just too powerful a combination.

Rolling twice against will makes sense to, I'll actually let my player pick between the two ideas.

A combination that requires you to spend a feat and give up the massive amounts of area damage you'd get with a wizard paragon path for some initiative goofery.

I think limiting terrifying insight to working once per turn might be better overall.

 

[Ander00]

Actually, after reading it again, I'd tend towards making the dazed condition dependant on the attack against Will only. Not sure which interpretation I'd suggest to the DM, but I won't be playing the character again for a while anyway.


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[James McMurray]

A combination that requires you to spend a feat and give up the massive amounts of area damage you'd get with a wizard paragon path for some initiative goofery.

Divine Oracle is a lot more than initiative goofery. Immunity to surprise has saved my epic party more trouble than they know. The "you will score a crit" is devestating with a striker or well built fighter in the party. And the ability to roll twice vs. Will means you're much more likely to score with the nastier conditions.

As a Blood Mage player myself, I have to say it's nothing to sneeze at. You give up the ability to deal more damage on your own, but can add a metric ton of one shot damage and control. My next wizard may end up going that route (depending on what other broken PPs they've put out by then. )

 

[Ander00]

Also, for increasing his chance to crit, rolling twice is the closest thing a wizard has to the weapon mastery feats (and he gets it mid-paragon).


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