Changeover Poll

[Wisdom Penalty]

I didn't read all 15 pages of responses, so someone has more than likely mentioned this response; however, when 4ed came out, I went to my local B&N and sat there reading the Players Handboook. As soon as I turned the final page, I walked up to the counter, handed the book to the cashier (who happened to be the manager) and told her to send it back and not order any more of them. Her response was to laugh and ask why she had been getting that same response all week.

Um...no. No one else mentioned that response in the previous 15 pages. But I'm sure B&N owes you a cut for saving them money.

@DaveMage: I have a library of 3e (and 1e) material that is no longer useful around the table, though it is still fun to peruse. I suspect those editions (esp. 1e) are much better in that regard; 4e doesn't seem like a "fun to peruse" type of style. That said, I've sworn to only purchase the "essential" 4e books this time around - PHB, DMB, MM, and the Powers books. I still don't like that the game (IMO) needs additional books to be complete, and I'd prefer to have 2-3 new books per year, but it is what it is.

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[Edena_of_Neith]

Only 12 new votes, in as many hours.

Results unchanged.

 

[Truth Seeker]

No 4E for me...

 

[Alzrius]

I never tried 4E, mostly because I can't seem to get a group together nowadays. That said, I'm perfectly happy with 3.5E, and feel no particular desire to switch editions.

 

[BryonD]

Praise Kord that WotC "lowered the bar" enough to create a game I thoroughly enjoy.

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled they make a game that works for you.
I just wish we could *also* have ADVANCED Dungeons and Dragons for people like me.

Granted, Paizo has pretty much filled that need.

 

[BryonD]

In fact, I'd say it's blatant trolling.

I don't think calling 4E "not D&D" is either insulting nor necessarily trolling. It is way to stupid a claim to really qualify as either.

I mean come on, even Spelljammer was D&D....

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

I mean come on, even Spelljammer was D&D....

You can have my Giant Space Hamster when you can pry it out of my cold, dead hands!

 

[Wisdom Penalty]

Don't get me wrong, I'm thrilled they make a game that works for you. I just wish we could *also* have ADVANCED Dungeons and Dragons for people like me. Granted, Paizo has pretty much filled that need.

Define "ADVANCED" - I just don't get it. Do you base that adjective on the number of options, the complexity of the rule system, the calculations required during gameplay? I'm not being an ass here, believe it or not - I'm truly interested in what that word means to you and, moreover, why that word cannot be applied to 4e from your perspective.

I've been playing "Advanced" D&D - or whatever incarnation was currently out there - for over 30 years. I don't think I'm fearful of weightier rules systems, should such system improve the enjoyment factor of the game. I don't see 4e as any more or less "advanced" than previous versions, though I will concur it's much more streamlined and lacks the options prevalent in the previous version (a fact, I contend, that should be attributed to 4e's infancy).

As for Paizo...I'm going to have to say goodnight. I think they've made a system that was needlessly complex (3e) into a more complex system. What need was there for that? Bear in mind, please, I'm not knocking 3e - there are many, many awesome points about that system, some of which are sadly lacking in 4e.

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[Edena_of_Neith]

Another 13 votes.

No change in the results. Holding at 32/56/12.

I need another 300 votes before this poll can be compared with the first Changeover Poll.

 

[BryonD]

Define "ADVANCED" - I just don't get it.

Nope.

Not gonna go down that road for the 400th time.
You yourself on many occasions have proclaimed the great headaches that you endured trying to manage 3E. They solved that problem for you at the expense of a wide range of the parts of the game I find most enjoyable.

You can easily find multitudes of threads describing a laundry list of complaints, revisit those if you need more detail.

You don't get it. Fine. That really makes no difference one way or the other.

You consider 3E "needlessly complex", I consider 4E to be very much inadequately complex.

3E is certainly not perfect and 4E is certainly not horrid. But for the level of game I want, 3E is pretty much at the mark and 4E isn't close enough to be worth investing my time for anything beyond a one-shot or such.