D&D Insider: Losing your toys

So if Jack99 can access the the full CB from offline, and I can too (just tried it), how does WotC "downgrade" the program? Hrm.

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, Irda, just FYI. But a CS representative always sounds confident in what they're saying, because they don't care if it's right or wrong. ;)

Now losing the Compendium functionality, I have no problem with that. It's hosted online, after all.
 

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Emphasis mine on the last part. It's pretty obvious that you need to be an active subscriber for full functionality

Sorry, but the thing you quoted does not say that. It says you need to be a subscriber to download the full program, and to update it. Nowhere (in what you quoted) does it say that you need to be an active subscriber for full functionality. As long as you define full functionality as able to do the same as when you were paying for it.
 

Do you do anything sexier than print to PDF?

Nope. But I'm also not worried. If I let my DDI subscription lapse, it'll be because I'm not playing D&D 4e anymore, and thus, won't really need the materials anyway. :)
 

FWIW, right now my DDI subscription is acting like its expired (i can't get magazine articles, compendium data, etc). If it lasts through tomorrow, I'll worry about it then. Anyway, point being that if CB dropped to the demo version once your subscription were up, then mine should do so right now. It doesn't.

Of course, it might be something that happens only once it detects updated database info, in which case, it wouldn't show up right away.
 


Sorry, but the thing you quoted does not say that. It says you need to be a subscriber to download the full program, and to update it. Nowhere (in what you quoted) does it say that you need to be an active subscriber for full functionality. As long as you define full functionality as able to do the same as when you were paying for it.

The quote says that if you reinstall it you need to be a subscriber to get full functionality... is that really onerous?

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This boils down to the whole SaaS (Software as a Service) model vs. traditional software models. Do you want to pay the recurring small subscription payments, but lose access if you cancel your sub, or do you want to pay much more up front for permanent access? In the software business, this debate has been going on for several years. Which is better for a given consumer varies a lot depending on the particulars of the software (initial cost, frequency of updates, etc.) and the needs of the consumer (will they need upgrades, how many copies, etc.)

MS did offer a version of Office as a subscription (MS Equipt). It is $70 for one year for three computers, including their anti-virus and anti-spyware stuff. $70 sounds pretty good considering the full version of office of that edition is $250-300 for a single copy. With a new version of Office coming out every 3-4 years, if you have multiple computers and plan to upgrade to the new versions as they are released the subscription model puts you way ahead cost-wise. If you have a single computer and only upgrade office every couple of versions, you are probably better off just buying it outright.

For the CB, would you be willing to pay $40-50 for the initial program, then pay for repeatedly for upgrades to add new material to it? If you want all the latest material as it is released, the SaaS model is probably a lot less expensive, both in the short run and in the long run as long as updated content is coming out. If you don't care about the new material and don't mind it being core, or core plus a few select upgrades, an outright purchase model would probably be better.

Paying for access to the CB doesn't bother me any more than I was bothered that I could no longer search or set a custom title when my EN World CS sub ran out. I look at DDI as primarily paying for the electronic magazines (buying equivalent content each month at RPG Now would probably cost at least the same as the DDI sub), and the CB, Compendium, and the rest are just a bonus.
 

The only thing I can think might happen is that if the program hasn't been connected to the internet for a full 30 days it might disable itself. It might do a check every time it's opened and has an internet connection. However, I really doubt they've done this. I guess you could check by disconnecting your internet connection and setting your clock on your computer way ahead and open it and see if it reverts back to demo mode.

However, I'm fairly certain it just doesn't get updates if you stop your subscription.

As for the actual question: No, I don't have a problem with it. I've been paying monthly fees to play MMORPGs for years now. I don't own the software, and they stop working as soon as I stop paying for them. If I stopped paying for it, it is because I no longer wanted to play the game. The same thing will apply to DDI.
 

Sorry, but the thing you quoted does not say that. It says you need to be a subscriber to download the full program, and to update it. Nowhere (in what you quoted) does it say that you need to be an active subscriber for full functionality. As long as you define full functionality as able to do the same as when you were paying for it.
Probably, what happens is that if you cancel your subscription, you can keep using the program without updates, but you can't do a new install.

I guess that it might also be possible that the program wants to be connected at least once per month to confirm your subscription status and it might stop working in case you're no longer subscribed... but that's not what the FAQ is stating.
 

I had a rather large diatribe here, but I decided that I was probably being more snarky than helpful. So let me just say:

1. I'm almost positive you're misinformed about the character builder. You can still use it for the full 30 levels, you just can't update.

2. With respect to the compendium, there's not much to be done about that. It's a members-only website. Theoretically, you're welcome to query it and save every single bit of info in it to your local system, of course.

3. You're able to save the PDFs for Dungeon and Dragon and keep them forever.

4. It does not bother me that service discontinues if I cease paying for a subscription. Shockingly, paying for services rather than products is quite common and accepted in our society. See waitresses, maids, gardeners, repairmen, utilities, etc.
 

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