D&D 5E Pew Pew magic......AHHHHHHH! Make martials all day swingers and casters limited per day slingers.

[ForeverSlayer]

Not to mention multiple daily castings of teleports, summons, disintegrates, time stops, invisibilities, flight, etc.

But repeated use of shocking grasp, that just breaks the magic economy wide open.

Were all limited resources as well.

 

[Mistwell]

DM: "Sorry, won't work in this game. If you want to pull that then find another group to play with."

Wait wait wait. He's talking about the rules as written. If this answer is an acceptable answer to you (and apparently it is) - then what the heck is this thread all about? And I understanf you had a second acceptable answer to you, but as this one was acceptable to you as well I think it's fair to focus on it. Here watch how it can be used:

I just want to say first off that I can't stand Pew Pew magic. I don't think there should be any at will spells except maybe read magic. I would like to see casters go back to being completely limited in their spells per day. I think the realm of at will and no limited attacks per day, or even per encounter, should fall solely on the martials.

What made playing casters interesting and challenging was the fact that you had to use judgement when deciding which spells to use and which ones to save. I feel like that's been lost ever since the addition of Pew Pew magic.

DM: "Sorry, catrips won't work in this game. If you want to pull that then find another group to play with."

See, we're allllll done with this issue. Simple.

Now, is it that you don't want other people to play with a rule you don't like, even though you're comfortable just eliminating it in your games?

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Wait wait wait. He's talking about the rules as written. If this answer is an acceptable answer to you (and apparently it is) - then what the heck is this thread all about? Here watch:



DM: "Sorry, catrips won't work in this game. If you want to pull that then find another group to play with."

See, we're allllll done with this issue. Simple.

Well you can let yourself out. The rest of us will continue discussing pew pew magic.

 

[MerricB]

Ceaseless sword swinging being silly does not equal "Therefore, martial dailies are the only viable solution."

There are any number of ways systems could model fatigue, and many of them could be applied to both sword-swinging AND spell-slinging.

As I recall, there were optional fatigue rules in 2E (in Players Option: Combat & Tactics, IIRC). It's something that D&D has flirted with before, though I think the rules overhead was such that it wasn't considered worth it by many people.

Cheers!

 

[Mistwell]

Well you can let yourself out. The rest of us will continue discussing pew pew magic.

I am asking if "Just eliminate it" is an acceptable answer for you for one thing, why isn't it an acceptable answer for this other thing?

Is it that you don't want others playing with a rule you don't like?

 

[Jacob Marley]

I am asking if "Just eliminate it" is an acceptable answer for you for one thing, why isn't it an acceptable answer for this other thing?

Is it that you don't want others playing with a rule you don't like?

There is a large difference between a game element that emerged from an unintentional combination of rules (candle of invocation plus efreets plus the wish spell) and a game element intentionally designed.

That said, I favor options, and the option of having at-will casting is a good thing. I'd also like the option to use game elements to ignore it if I so choose. My preference would be for something more akin to 3.5 reserve feats, but I'd be just fine with at-will spells as a default and ACFs to remove them.

 

[EnglishLanguage]

Just want to continue with this response. Now, even if we place the request into the immediate column and we go by the magic item creation rules then you would have to have a caster level of 57600..

For it to be considered an immediate task, it would require one caster per round.

Or..you know, a caster level of 17, since that's when you can first cast Gate, and then you can just get a bunch of Candles of Invocation from that. And by then, an immediate task would be something that could be accomplished in 17 rounds, more than long enough to grant three wishes, each of which take 1 Standard Action.

 

[Mistwell]

Stuff.

Thanks, but I don't think it's a question relevant to anyone other than Forever Slayer. He's the guy enraged over this, in like 20 different threads, so I think it's fair to ask him why he's not OK with simply houserulling it like he's done for things in other versions of the game. You know, since he raised his acceptance of houseruling.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Or..you know, a caster level of 17, since that's when you can first cast Gate, and then you can just get a bunch of Candles of Invocation from that. And by then, an immediate task would be something that could be accomplished in 17 rounds, more than long enough to grant three wishes, each of which take 1 Standard Action.

I don't think you even know what you are trying to do here.

 

[ForeverSlayer]

Thanks, but I don't think it's a question relevant to anyone other than Forever Slayer. He's the guy enraged over this, in like 20 different threads, so I think it's fair to ask him why he's not OK with simply houserulling it like he's done for things in other versions of the game. You know, since he raised his acceptance of houseruling.

Kind of funny how you try and place me as the only one who doesn't really care for at will spells.