D&D 5E I thought that I had seen a Range limit to the sneak attack with the Ranged Weapon, 30 feet

[Paraxis]

We had our Tuesday Night Game and all 9 of us agreed that melee weapon with the Thrown Property can be used with the sneak attack when thrown and that this website is full of Trolls

You game with a group of 9 people who can't understand that a weapon is either melee or ranged not both, and that the only melee weapon that can be used to make a thrown sneak attack is the dagger and that is because it has the finesse quality not the thrown quality.

Why would someone want to try and sneak attack with a hand axe anyway you would be attacking using strength and not dexterity?

PS, it is not nice to call people names.

 

[Athinar]

Did I say anything about Dex for Handaxes, Javelins or any other Melee Weapon with the property of thrown, nope. Did I call you a troll?

 

[Athinar]

I game with Friends, all 9 of them are my friends and we all have fun

Why would you put down 9 people you have not meet before.....

At times some rogues are caught and thrown into jail, escape, find a weapon like a handaxe, etc..

 

[Paraxis]

I game with Friends, all 9 of them are my friends and we all have fun

Why would you put down 9 people you have not meet before.....

At times some rogues are caught and thrown into jail, escape, find a weapon like a handaxe, etc..

I put down no one, I have no reason to do so and it is not nice to do so. I stated you game with 9 people who can't understand a simple rule, that is a fact not a put down.

The Weapons table shows the most common weapons used in the worlds of D&D, their price and weight, the damage they deal when they hit, and any special properties they possess. Every weapon is classified as either melee or ranged. A melee weapon is used to attack a target within 5 feet of you, whereas a ranged weapon is used to attack a target at a distance. - pg 146 PHB

"SNEAK ATTACK: Beginning at 1st level, you know how to strike subtly and exploit a foe’s distraction. Once per turn, you can deal an extra 1d6 damage to one creature you hit with an attack if you have advantage on the attack roll. The attack must use a finesse or a ranged weapon." - pg 96 PHB

A handaxe is a melee weapon therefore it can't also be a ranged weapon, as it is either melee or ranged, not both.

A handaxe does not have the finesse property.

Having not the finesse property or being a ranged weapon you can not sneak attack with a handaxe.

The fact that you and 9 other people can't comprehend that is not my problem, and it is not a put down to point it out.

You are the one who called people on these forums trolls, you put fellow members of this community down, not I.

At this point I have to assume you are blatantly ignoring simple and easy to understand rules.

 

[Zinnger]

Why be a melee rogue? Because it is easier to get three attacks in during a round (on three different turns) and sneak attack three times with a melee weapon than it is to get three different ranged attacks in and sneak three times (on three different turns) in the same round.

Example: In a game using the optional Mark rules in the PHB, a rogue with a scimitar of speed can use a bonus to make an attack on their turn and then use their action to ready an attack on another turn. If their mark target provokes an OA, they get to make that attack without using their reaction and then their ready action can trigger allowing for the third attack on yet another turn.

Hmmm. It seems that people think you can simply use a bonus action to attack with a light weapon anytime you want. That is not how I read the rules.
1) P. 189 states, "You can take a bonus action only when a special ability, spell, or other feature of the game states that you can... You otherwise don't have a bonus action to take."

2) P. 195 states, "When you take the Attack action and attack with a light melee weapon that you're holding in one hand, you can use a bonus action to attack with a different light melee weapon that you're holding in the other hand."

You must actually USE your "action" as an Attack action or you DO NOT gain the ability to attack with your off hand holding a light weapon. Thus, it would not be possible to attack with your bonus action and take the ready action to ready your action to be used later in the round. You can only gain the bonus action attack AFTER you take the Attack action.

As I understand it, this will also prevent those without a cunning action or aggressive ability or something to allow the use of a bonus action for additional movement to move, dash, and then attack with a bonus action. The same as you could not cast a spell as your action and then attack as a bonus action (unless the spell states otherwise). Am I missing something?

 

[Zinnger]

The Thrown Dagger was used to make assassination attempts in the 1st and 2nd Ed

Thrown Property makes it a Range Weapon when thrown

Okay - question. We all agree that a rapier is a melee weapon, right? So... can my rogue throw it as an improvised thrown weapon? I think I should be allowed to do this. Now the big question is does the fact that I threw this weapon and am making a ranged attack make my rapier become a thrown weapon = ranged weapon = sneak attack damage?

I don't think just because you can throw a melee weapon it turns into a "ranged weapon"

And what about a lance? I can strike a target from 10' range and not be hit back. Does this also become a "ranged" attack because I am striking from range?

The game is fun and I encourage all DM's to do what makes sense to them. No two tables will have the exact same rules in play...

 

[Athinar]

This question turns out was answered back in 2014

Frank Foulis @darthJerod
@MikeMearls Can thrown weapons be used for sneak attack damage? Seems to go against the qualifiers of sneak attack being Ranged-Finesse
Mike Mearls @MikeMearls
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@darthJerod yes, they can. basically, as a DM feel free to let the rogue sneak attack with anything that deals a d6 or less
4:25 PM - 25 Jul 2014

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So that is now 10 people that agree with me

a couple of my friends are 20th + level on this forum and they told me that there are Trolls on this forum, not as bad as the Official D&D site, but still there are trolls

 

[Paraxis]

This question turns out was answered back in 2014

Frank Foulis [MENTION=7314]darth[/MENTION]Jerod
[MENTION=32417]MikeM[/MENTION]earls Can thrown weapons be used for sneak attack damage? Seems to go against the qualifiers of sneak attack being Ranged-Finesse
Mike Mearls [MENTION=32417]MikeM[/MENTION]earls
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[MENTION=7314]darth[/MENTION]Jerod yes, they can. basically, as a DM feel free to let the rogue sneak attack with anything that deals a d6 or less
4:25 PM - 25 Jul 2014

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Why would you say that? I know of Mearls quote it is pointless as it is not a RAW answer to the rules. By his ruling a monk/rogue could sneak attack with his unarmed strikes up until his monk level becomes 11th and then suddenly he can't sneak attack with his unarmed strikes anymore, or you could sneak attack with a spear or staff only used one handed then suddenly once you grip it with both hands you can't sneak attack with it anymore.

Mearls gave a fast and loose how he would play it at his table answer not a by the book answer. If they wanted the rule to be sneak attack with anything that does a d6 or less they should have made that the rule. And even by the book now rogues can sneak attack with rapiers, long bows, and crossbows all doing a d8 or d10, so what is up with his logic there.

 

[Athinar]

I am deleting all Emails without reading them for this subject

 

[jgsugden]

Hmmm. It seems that people think you can simply use a bonus action to attack with a light weapon anytime you want...

I don't know if anyone is assuming that this is a willy-nilly option... but there are several options within the rules that can allow you to make an attack with a bonus action with less restrictions, such as a Scimitar of Speed. The 20th level rogue I saw obliterate enemies in a high level dungeon crawl made three attacks per round, every round - and all were sneak attacks. On his turn he used the bonus action from his scimitar of speed to attack. He marked a foe (DMG optional rule) on this attack. He then used his (regular) action to ready an attack to take place on another turn (usually when an ally did something). This used up his regular action and devoted his reaction. However, because the foe was marked, when the creature provoked an opportunity attack, he was still able to make it. That provoked OA is not usually a reliable thing, but in that game it was.

Regardless, getting two sneak attacks as a ranged rogue is going to be rare. Getting two with a melee rogue is far more common.