D&D 5E I thought that I had seen a Range limit to the sneak attack with the Ranged Weapon, 30 feet

[Gecko85]

A Melee Weapon with the "Range Property" like Dagger, Handaxe, Javelin can be used as a Ranged Weapon and that was the question, can a "Thrown Weapon (Thrown Property)" be used to do Sneak Attack

See the Melee Table for the weapons that have the "Range" property

The Boss of Mr. Crawford, Mike said yes, but now I don't care, I have moved on to a different game with Rules, Checkers

The love of 5.0 has died in the Mud Forest

Thank you Mr. Crawford for killing the Love

Wow, such drama. You're picking up your toys and going home?

Crawford was giving his ruling based on RAW. But, as the 5ed rules explicitly state, rules are really just guidelines. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AT YOUR TABLE.

When you're DM-ing, rule that weapons with the thrown property can do sneak attack damage. DONE, and still within the spirit of 5e.

I'm perplexed as to why this is such a difficult thing to comprehend?

MAKE A @!$@ TABLE RULE AND BE DONE WITH IT.

If someone making a RAW ruling for clarification kills the love for you, then I'm sorry...perhaps games aren't for you.

 

[Athinar]

Crawford was giving his ruling based on RAW.

No, it was others that were interrupting their version of RAW.

Mr. Crawford has not replied to my Tweets yet about this subject and may not.

Mr. Crawford' tweet was about the Fighter's Archery Skill and Thrown Weapons not about Thrown and Sneak Attack

I still see the Melee Weapon with Range property being able to do Sneak Attack. At my table and the Tuesday's game table, and at Mike's table, you can use the Melee Ranged Attack and get Sneak Attack. But I play the only Rogue and use the Short Bow, Short Sword and Dagger. The Halfling is 3rd Level Assassin, 1st Fighter, 1st Wizard, uses Archery with only the Bow

Drama, Yes lots of Drama, it is the Internet where Drama lives larger than life.

and I have no life and the at this time there is an Ice Storm and I can not take my dog Titan to the Dog Park

 

[Kikuras]

Wow, such drama. You're picking up your toys and going home?

Crawford was giving his ruling based on RAW. But, as the 5ed rules explicitly state, rules are really just guidelines. DO WHATEVER YOU WANT AT YOUR TABLE.

When you're DM-ing, rule that weapons with the thrown property can do sneak attack damage. DONE, and still within the spirit of 5e.

I'm perplexed as to why this is such a difficult thing to comprehend?

MAKE A @!$@ TABLE RULE AND BE DONE WITH IT.

If someone making a RAW ruling for clarification kills the love for you, then I'm sorry...perhaps games aren't for you.

In all fairness, the RAW on the subject is... poorly written. The text that mechanically describes how a weapon is classified as a ranged weapon is incomplete, or at least misleading. A simple exclusion clause, such as 'a melee weapon cannot also be a ranged weapon' instead of balancing everything on the word 'either', would alleviate any misunderstanding. As it is, I don't find the RAW very compelling (though I am more than willing to accept Crawford's clarification). I feel that there are a lot of folks who are bringing legacy-based assumptions to the RAW of 5e, and the whole "of course it's not a ranged weapon, you idiot, it's always been like that!" is a little unfair... just a little.

 

[Gecko85]

In all fairness, the RAW on the subject is... poorly written...I feel that there are a lot of folks who are bringing legacy-based assumptions to the RAW of 5e, and the whole "of course it's not a ranged weapon, you idiot, it's always been like that!" is a little unfair... just a little.

Agreed. But the proper response when you don't like RAW (or even RAI) is to change it to something you do like, not to pout and say you're dumping the game altogether and crying that you don't like an interpretation of RAW.

 

[Gecko85]

Mr. Crawford' tweet was about the Fighter's Archery Skill and Thrown Weapons not about Thrown and Sneak Attack

Here is Crawford's exact tweet:

The Archery feature is intended to work with ranged weapons. A dagger is a melee weapon even when you throw it.

Let me change it for you:

"The [sneak attack] is intended to work with ranged weapons. A [hand axe] is a melee weapon even when you throw it."

He was giving his ruling on RAW regarding how melee weapons are counted when thrown. Sorry if you are unable to see that.

And, again, you don't have to use it that way. You're 100% free to rule melee weapons with thrown property A-OK for sneak attacks. It's entirely up to you.

 

[Athinar]

But when he Tweeted it the Players Handbook was not out, so it could have changed between then and now

 

[Athinar]

I agree with the

"The Archery feature is intended to work with ranged weapons."

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Archery is the practice or skill of using a bow to propel arrows. The word comes from the Latin arcus. Historically, archery has been used for hunting and combat. In modern times, it is mainly a competitive sport and recreational activity. A person who participates in archery is typically called an archer or a bowman—and a person who is fond of or an expert at archery is sometimes called a toxophilite.^[1]

and only Bows be they Cross, long or Short

 

[Athinar]

A throwing knifes and Daggers seems to be not the same weapon in Wiki, throwing knifes are smaller with no hilt. Combat Daggers are not meant to be thrown, not balanced with a hilt but can be thrown, more like sword than a throwing knife.

They are a distinct category from ordinary knives.
A maximum effective range of about 50 yards (around 45m) has been suggested.

Throwing knife, Ranged Weapon, not a Melee weapon, d4 + Dex, 30/150

 

[Athinar]

Wiki - Hand Axes

H. G. Wells proposed in 1899 that hand axes were used as missile weapons to hunt prey[10] – an interpretation supported by Professor William H. Calvin of University of Washington, in Seattle who has suggested that some of the rounder examples of Acheulean hand axes were used as hunting projectiles or as «killer frisbees» meant to be thrown at a herd of animals at a water hole so as to stun one of them. This assertion was inspired by findings from the Olorgesailie archaeological site in modern Kenya.[11] There are few indications of hand axe hafting, and some artifacts are far too large for that. However a thrown hand axe would not usually have penetrated deeply enough to cause very serious injuries. Additionally many hand axes are very small. There is very little evidence of impact damage in most handaxes.

so in 5.0 is a handaxe a tomahawk/hatchet weapon

Tomahawk throwing is a popular sport among American historical re-enactment groups, and new martial arts such as Okichitaw have begun to revive tomahawk fighting techniques used during the colonial era.[12] Tomahawks are a category within competitive knife throwing. Today's hand-forged tomahawks are being made by master craftsmen throughout the United States.[13][14]