D&D 5E No Magic Shops!

[jasper]

... if your stove thermostat fluctuates wildly with swings og 50-100 degrees or more at a whim - all that precision does not wind up making you a good cake except by dumb chance when the temp just happens to work out right....
hMMM DID you cook on the same stove I did in West Berlin?

 

[Maxperson]

You've used this line of...of...god I hate to debase the word "reasoning"...in the past.

First, look up the definition of bullying. There is a formal definition. It requires imbalance of power, repetition, and real harm. This is not bullying. Just because you feel bad does not make it bullying.

Second, the "block" feature is doing exactly what it is designed to do. According to your characterization of it, there could be no legitimate use for it unless both parties agree to block each other. That's just silly.

If you really want to read Kobold Boot's post, you can log out and read the forums anonymously. Problem solved. Stop whining.

First, read the actual definitions of bullying and not the Wikipedia. The definitions have no such requirement of repetitiveness. Second, the purpose of the block feature is to keep you from seeing someone else. There is no good reason to keep me from seeing them.

I have a personal philosophy of not blocking people. To force me to block someone is bullying plain and simple.

 

[Kobold Boots]

Sorry for causing an issue. I thought it made perfect sense to tell someone I was blocking them, then doing so.

I'll be less forthcoming or more careful in the future.

Be well
KB

 

[Sunseeker]

If it's included, won't those that want it use it? Otherwise, what's the point?

Which brings me right back to my point. Those that use it will have PC's that are considerably more powerful. Meaning that using this system will result in every other supplement being more difficult to use.

Can we agree on this so far?

No.

Since the rest of your post is founded upon the assumption you are correct and putting words in my mouth, it will not receive a response.

 

[MoonSong]

On the defense of Price lists and Magic shops, they are inherently more fun. At least to me. Don't get me wrong, the whole idea of adventuring and finding them as treasure sounds fun in theory. In theory, but in practice I find magic items I get to actually own and get to use more fun. To date I've never ever had a staff of the magi, nor a holy avenger, or a folding boat, or one of those onyx figurines, and no matter how much I've played under editions without a shopping list, I can count with one hand the few magic items I've owned that weren't just bland +1s (And I never actually got to use one of them which is a bummer). On the other hand the systems that made magic items a commodity actually enabled me to own and enjoy a bunch of weird and different magic items, flying brooms, winged boots, bags of tricks, glamered armor, hats of disguise, merciful weapons.

Second, the "block" feature is doing exactly what it is designed to do. According to your characterization of it, there could be no legitimate use for it unless both parties agree to block each other. That's just silly.

If you really want to read Kobold Boot's post, you can log out and read the forums anonymously. Problem solved. Stop whining.

Well, the block function is annoying. It breaks the structural integrity of the forum, gives out phantom update notifications -that cost mobile data- and a perpetual reminder that someone doesn't likes you. Before the change it was milder, and while you could publicly say you were blocking someone then cut them out without a way to answer, at least that person had the ability to report it. Nowadays you can quote someone, publicly shun them and then take away any way to answer back and call the attention of the mods to it, which is worse. (BTW can anybody please tell @ad_hoc that whatever he thinks I did I'm really really sorry, if it is the pink letters I'm not using them anymore and to @Kobold Boots that I completely forgot that the word "discriminate" is that politically charged in English since in my mother tongue it isn't?, I totally meant something way milder than he read)

 

[darkrose50]

The idea of removing items that are [1] magical and [2] treasure from economics hurts my brain.

Being a treasure hunter should be well supported in the rules.

 

[Lanefan]

As a point of curiosity, ignoring all other objections to the methodology, how do cursed items factor into the process of determining magical item values in this hypothetical play test?

Well, there's a risk in everything; and cursed items introduce the risk that what you just thought you paid for isn't quite what you're getting...

 

[Lanefan]

On the defense of Price lists and Magic shops, they are inherently more fun. At least to me. Don't get me wrong, the whole idea of adventuring and finding them as treasure sounds fun in theory. In theory, but in practice I find magic items I get to actually own and get to use more fun. To date I've never ever had a staff of the magi, nor a holy avenger, or a folding boat, or one of those onyx figurines, and no matter how much I've played under editions without a shopping list,

Funny - I did up a completely random shopping list (Excel for the win!) last session of all of 5 items for a small-ish town the party was visitng - and lo and behold, one of those items was an Onyx Dog.

That said, your wording implies that you only "own" items that you actually buy. Do your parties not divide their treasuries such that individual characters can claim items as theirs? Or does all found magic simply remain as "party possessions" without individual owners?

Well, the block function is annoying.

I'll take your word for that. I've never used it.

Lanefan

 

[MoonSong]

Funny - I did up a completely random shopping list (Excel for the win!) last session of all of 5 items for a small-ish town the party was visitng - and lo and behold, one of those items was an Onyx Dog.

That said, your wording implies that you only "own" items that you actually buy. Do your parties not divide their treasuries such that individual characters can claim items as theirs? Or does all found magic simply remain as "party possessions" without individual owners?

Nop, no hidden meaning to it. I'm also counting items that are nominally considered the party's property, heck, I'm even counting items that are supposed to be someone else's that happen to be on my character's possession. Truth is, making magic items "oh so rare, oh so special" only results in a duller experience.

I'll take your word for that. I've never used it.

Lanefan

You need not to use it, someone just needs to use it on you.

 

[Guest 6801328]

First, read the actual definitions of bullying and not the Wikipedia.
The definitions have no such requirement of repetitiveness.

Oh, you mean like:
stopbullying.gov
anti-bullyingalliance.org.uk
restorativejustice.org.uk
cyberbullying.org

Second, the purpose of the block feature is to keep you from seeing someone else. There is no good reason to keep me from seeing them.

That may be true, but you should take that up with Morrus, instead of getting mad at the people who don't want to see your posts.

I have a personal philosophy of not blocking people. To force me to block someone is bullying plain and simple.

Hmm...I think we can conclude from the links that I provided that it's not.

I've yet to ever see you temper a position, let alone admit you're wrong. Will this be a first?