Star Trek Discovery not getting any better I fear.

[Derren]

As the other thread is apparently for blind admiration only I post this here:

So they really go with "Our absolute certain 100% double and triple checked test we mentioned so often are absolute unfailable were wrong". Right....

And now we also have pseudoborg. Hopefully they won't go into the "Control created the Borg" direction, but the way the writing is it wouldn't surprise me.
Deleting the data is impossible? With that much at stake there are ways to delete the data 100% the physical way. Especially when they can freely move the data around.
Stopping a transmission is also possible easily by destroying or disconnecting hardware.
But where should the drama then come from?

 

[Hussar]

As the other thread is apparently for blind admiration only I post this here:

So they really go with "Our absolute certain 100% double and triple checked test we mentioned so often are absolute unfailable were wrong". Right....

And now we also have pseudoborg. Hopefully they won't go into the "Control created the Borg" direction, but the way the writing is it wouldn't surprise me.
Deleting the data is impossible? With that much at stake there are ways to delete the data 100% the physical way. Especially when they can freely move the data around.
Stopping a transmission is also possible easily be destroying or disconnecting hardware.
But where should the drama then come from?

Well, to be fair, the only way those tests could be wrong is if the pilot was someone who had been confirmed as dead for the past 20 years, so, yeah, I'm not really going to take them to task for discounting the possibility. "Yes, our test is really freaking accurate. It's you Michael. Unless, of course, contrary to all the available information, somehow your dead mother is in that suit" isn't really going to come up, is it?

I do agree with the notion that "Control created the Borg" would be a terrible direction to go. Complete crap and I would be very disappointed. Granted, since none of the other doom and gloom predictions have come true (Michael is in the suit being one that comes to mind), I'm willing to give the writers the benefit of the doubt for now.

And, yeah, it did occur to me, why not just pull the hard drive and jump and down on it? Ok, you cannot erase the data, sure, but, surely you can pull the memory where it's stored. Total plot hole, and no argument from me. And, again, I agree, why didn't they just shoot that transmitter? Georgiou turns it off, but, doesn't break it? Seems a bit stupid.

And the whole "Section 31 has stealth ships" is a load of ballocks. It's a really weak point.

See, boys and girls, it's not hard to criticize a show. There's a difference between criticism and hate watching. And, it's possible to like a show without liking everything.

 

[Aeson]

At first I was thinking Oooo Borg!! Then during the fight I started thinking meh Terminator.

Spock: I like science.

 

[Derren]

Well, to be fair, the only way those tests could be wrong is if the pilot was someone who had been confirmed as dead for the past 20 years, so, yeah, I'm not really going to take them to task for discounting the possibility. "Yes, our test is really freaking accurate. It's you Michael. Unless, of course, contrary to all the available information, somehow your dead mother is in that suit" isn't really going to come up, is it?

Or it could have been one of Burnhams descendants. It is from the future after all.
But gene testing from the future should be accurate enough to detect the difference between persons instead of only being accurate to the family line especially as in the episode before they never said that they only have scans of the mitochondrial DNA but instead talk about bioneural signature which would definitely not be the same between mothers and daughters. So why can't they tell the difference between 2 persons?

 

[MarkB]

And, again, I agree, why didn't they just shoot that transmitter? Georgiou turns it off, but, doesn't break it? Seems a bit stupid.

That part, at least, isn't a plot hole. The relay was also a bomb, one powerful enough to breach the containment field and destroy the suit once the transmission was complete - probably a small antimatter charge. That's not something you want to shoot.

 

[Derren]

That part, at least, isn't a plot hole. The relay was also a bomb, one powerful enough to breach the containment field and destroy the suit once the transmission was complete - probably a small antimatter charge. That's not something you want to shoot.

She could have removed it when she was convinced that Leland was up to no good instead of leaving it so that it can be restarted by a single press.
But either way, the Discovery could have simply stopped the transmission by unplugging their communication array.
They could have also destroyed the data by transferring it into a shuttle, PADD, whatever and disintegrating that. Piece by piece if for some reason only a futuristic 20 year old suit has enough memory for it as the data somehow can be partitioned and copied (duplicated+deleted) just fine.

 

[MarkB]

She could have removed it when she was convinced that Leland was up to no good instead of leaving it so that it can be restarted by a single press.
But either way, the Discovery could have simply stopped the transmission by unplugging their communication array.
They could have also destroyed the data by transferring it into a shuttle, PADD, whatever and disintegrating that. Piece by piece if for some reason only a futuristic 20 year old suit has enough memory for it as the data somehow can be partitioned and copied (duplicated+deleted) just fine.

Or, if it really came to it, evacuated the Discovery and destroyed it.

I do have to wonder, if the Sphere data's self-preservation protocols were so strong, whether their plan really had any serious chance of working in the first place. It seems entirely likely that it would have happily allowed itself to be copied and propagated far and wide, but would then have disabled the protocols that would delete the original.

 

[Derren]

Or, if it really came to it, evacuated the Discovery and destroyed it.

I do have to wonder, if the Sphere data's self-preservation protocols were so strong, whether their plan really had any serious chance of working in the first place. It seems entirely likely that it would have happily allowed itself to be copied and propagated far and wide, but would then have disabled the protocols that would delete the original.

We will see if it comes up in the next episode if the Destiny still has the complete data or just the 45% or so that is left.
That reminds me, if the data was deleted on the Destiny because it was copied, wouldn't that mean that some data is already lost as when Georgiou disabled the transmitter device some data did land inside the suit?

 

[Hussar]

She could have removed it when she was convinced that Leland was up to no good instead of leaving it so that it can be restarted by a single press.
But either way, the Discovery could have simply stopped the transmission by unplugging their communication array.
They could have also destroyed the data by transferring it into a shuttle, PADD, whatever and disintegrating that. Piece by piece if for some reason only a futuristic 20 year old suit has enough memory for it as the data somehow can be partitioned and copied (duplicated+deleted) just fine.

Well, no, they couldn'T download it into a shuttle or PADD, because it's too big. They did make a point about the suit having massive memory (they used quantum. hehe. solves everything) and thus could actually contain the sphere data.

I think they're strongly hinting that the sphere data is somewhat intelligent. It certainly reacts when threatened, so, that's not totally out there.

 

[Derren]

Well, no, they couldn'T download it into a shuttle or PADD, because it's too big. They did make a point about the suit having massive memory (they used quantum. hehe. solves everything) and thus could actually contain the sphere data.

I think they're strongly hinting that the sphere data is somewhat intelligent. It certainly reacts when threatened, so, that's not totally out there.

And yet it was easily possible to partition the data as otherwise Control couldn't have escaped with part of it.
So you do not have to transfer the data in one big piece, you could have copied and destroyed it piece by piece. Besides, why would a 20 year old suit have less memory than a shuttlecraft (or the datacores of multiple shuttlecraft linked together)

Was it ever explained how Leland ended up strapped on the table anyway or did hologram Control somehow magically move him there? And why do their retina scanners have spikes anyway?