The Mandalorian | Official Trailer | Disney+ | Streaming Nov. 12

[Zardnaar]

You misunderstand me. EU fans are killing Star Wars, not because they aren't watching, but, because every single thing that comes out gets dogpiled and giant piles of feces flung around as hard as they can, no matter what.

IOW, the movies haven't even been given a chance to succeed. The notion that folks might not be bothered by Han, the amoral smuggler, being so stricken by his failure as a parent that he abandons Leia, as not being all that much of a stretch. Remember, he didn't leave until AFTER Kylo Ren went evil.

If your child turned out to be a mass murdering monster, it might put a strain on your marriage too.

Han had the same story arch in the old EU.

His son turned, and was killed by his sister.

But him and Leia still had their happy times. Luke got married, founded a Jedi academy, trained new Jedi.

Logical storytelling after RotJ yes?

Also see why we're calling Disney creatively bankrupt? They can't even rip themselves off correctly.

I think we're already seeing a course correction. Resistance got cancelled and a new season of clone wars is being made.

Mandalorian looks badass, getting races trailer reviews, original, grittier getting away from Skywalker's.

New trailer for Dark Empire I mean RoS is pushing OT stuff hard.

Disney is losing money, the lost money on a Star Wars movie and even casuals are not going to the Star Wars theme park in numbers. Oh the new toys aren't selling either or you can get them for 50 cents.

Its more than just a few EU fans upset with Disney.

 

[Zardnaar]

One has to look back at the time Boba Fett was introduced.

Episode IV introduced the world to Darth Vader.

Episode V, everyone was afraid of Vader. Imperial Officers were nothing to Vader. Then when they introduced the bounty hunters, Vader stopped in front of Fett to give the order "No Disintegrate". Of which Boba replied was a simple "As you wish." His tone was not that of one who was afraid of Vader. And his smarts to find the Falcon right away made Boba someone not to cross.

While Lando showed how scared he was with Vader changing the terms of the agreement, Boba showed no fear, and had even stood up to Vader about the potential loss with delivering Solo to the Hutts.

Boba Fett was someone to be feared. And the mystery around Fett (they deliberately had never revealed its gender/background other than it wore Mandalorian Armour during the Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi movies.

Then came the prequels, and we learned even more. And how his father was the template for the clone army, and was able to take on a Jedi on its own. And he was a clone of his father, trained to be just as fearsome as he was.

Even without the prequels, Boba Fett was a more interesting character than a Captain Phasma. We wanted to know more about Fett than Phasma.

Then add the novels, comics, video games, etc, and Boba Fett was a character people loved to get to know more.

That he was dumped into the Sarlac pit was a poetic defeat, foreshadowing the similar defeat of the technologically advanced Empire to the primitive Ewoks.

And how shows like Adult Swim made fun of that scene only made us like Fett all the more. That he escaped in some version of the character, only adds to his fame.

That is why we fans care.

Phasma was popular, she has a cool story in the new cannon. Never saw it on screen. Rey's force power thing, not put on screen. New Star Destroyers ate badass. Not seen on screen.

Yet another character that wasn't developed properly. Interesting armor check, popular actor check, gets used as comic relief check.

 

[Legatus Legionis]

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[Zardnaar]

Phasma was popular when she was first introduced. And yay, it was another character that wasn't developed properly. Interesting armor check, popular actress check, gets used as comic relief check.

She folded (and a future novel had to explain why she folded).

Boba Jett never lost that interest. Even after the Sarlac pit, people still wanted more.

So learning more about the Mandalorians, their culture, etc. is still very much there.

I can't say the same thing about Phasma and her background/history/culture.

Apparently she's not a brave person irvtrue believer in the New Order. Opportunistic.

 

[trappedslider]

Episode V, everyone was afraid of Vader. Imperial Officers were nothing to Vader. Then when they introduced the bounty hunters, Vader stopped in front of Fett to give the order "No Disintegrate". Of which Boba replied was a simple "As you wish."

What Fett was really saying here was "I love you."

 

[Mercurius]

You misunderstand me. EU fans are killing Star Wars, not because they aren't watching, but, because every single thing that comes out gets dogpiled and giant piles of feces flung around as hard as they can, no matter what.

IOW, the movies haven't even been given a chance to succeed. The notion that folks might not be bothered by Han, the amoral smuggler, being so stricken by his failure as a parent that he abandons Leia, as not being all that much of a stretch. Remember, he didn't leave until AFTER Kylo Ren went evil.

If your child turned out to be a mass murdering monster, it might put a strain on your marriage too.

This came after my post with no quotes, so am not sure if this is to me or Zardnaar.

Anyhow, I agree that there are rabid and unreasonable haters out there that muddy the waters - obviously. But the thing is, there's also fanboyism that will defend anything that comes out, always finding a way to like whatever the official product is, and accusing any kind of critique as haterism. So we end up in a very partisan reality of haters vs. fanboys, us vs. them, you're either with us or against us--which dominates geekdom, internet discussion in general, and culture and politics at large...and it seems to be getting worse on a daily basis.

My issue with the fanboyism is that it implies that any criticisms of something, in this case SW, are inherently based on hating or bad grapes etc. In other words, there are valid reasons to not like the new trilogy that have nothing to do with the EU, with hating, with excessive nerdery, misogyny, racism, etc.

Zardnaar might be a bit dogged in his criticisms, but he clearly does so out of love for the franchise, and it seems to me that his critiques are pretty reasonable.

 

[Zardnaar]

This came after my post with no quotes, so am not sure if this is to me or Zardnaar.

Anyhow, I agree that there are rabid and unreasonable haters out there that muddy the waters - obviously. But the thing is, there's also fanboyism that will defend anything that comes out, always finding a way to like whatever the official product is, and accusing any kind of critique as haterism. So we end up in a very partisan reality of haters vs. fanboys, us vs. them, you're either with us or against us--which dominates geekdom, internet discussion in general, and culture and politics at large...and it seems to be getting worse on a daily basis.

My issue with the fanboyism is that it implies that any criticisms of something, in this case SW, are inherently based on hating or bad grapes etc. In other words, there are valid reasons to not like the new trilogy that have nothing to do with the EU, with hating, with excessive nerdery, misogyny, racism, etc.

Zardnaar might be a bit dogged in his criticisms, but he clearly does so out of love for the franchise, and it seems to me that his critiques are pretty reasonable.

Cheers if you don't like women Star Wars may not be the franchise for you. In the OT Leia comes across as the leader, then you find out Mon Mothma is the leader.

In the old EU she become the first leader of the New Republic, then Leia and when the EU ended the main protagonist was was female, the main galactic villain was female, and the source of all evil was female. The standout character of the last books was also female.

3 most popular characters outside the movies are probably Thrawn, Mara Jade and Ahsako Tano.

To be fair it's easier to develop characters in novels,even the OT would seem rushed in some ways but you only have two hours or so in a movie so a simple line of exposition can be used here and there.

You don't really need back stories for characters where it's implied by their position. Mon Mothma is the rebel leader she must have some skills related to it, Jedi Knights you would assume they would know the business end of a lightsaber.

Fett stands up to Vader, he's a badass very simple it works well in the movie format. ANH established Vader as a villain, ESB made him a badass.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

And the prequels, which completely stripped him of any mystery. Whoever asked to see The Man With No Name as a child?

Only time the mysterious character like that got a backstory and it was good was Roland from the Dark Tower series.

The EU canon has giant talking rabbits. I think that pretty much sums up my views on the EU canon.

That is so vastly less silly than half the creatures in the movies, I don’t even know how to process the idea of using it as an example against the EU, even as someone whose only investment in the EU is playing the RPG and having a friend who wrote EU canon articles about Galactic linguistics, but otherwise is glad the EU is fully non-canonical.

 

[Hussar]

Only time the mysterious character like that got a backstory and it was good was Roland from the Dark Tower series.



That is so vastly less silly than half the creatures in the movies, I don’t even know how to process the idea of using it as an example against the EU, even as someone whose only investment in the EU is playing the RPG and having a friend who wrote EU canon articles about Galactic linguistics, but otherwise is glad the EU is fully non-canonical.

I guess silly is in the eye of the beholder. Me, adding Bugs Bunny to Star Wars is pretty darn silly.

 

[Zardnaar]

That was the old Marvel comics early 80s.

The comebacks more 1991+ and Dark Horse comics.

The very early pre Heir to the Empire stuff is a bit crazy especially the comics. The Han stuff is well regarded, the Lando stuff not so much.

There's also Splinter of the Minds Eye which was a cheaper episode V written after ANH but before ESB. Vader was after a kyber crystal, Disney didn't invent those.

That along with the Droid cartoons, Ewok movies, Holiday Special not that well regarded.