Star Trek Picard SPOILERS thread

[Zardnaar]

That's a fundamental misunderstanding, and insultingly dismissal of what that term means. Unless you identify as toxic, in which case, sure. Anybody who disagrees with you.

Toxic means personally attacking creators for not doing exactly what you wanted them to do. If you equate that with everybody who disagrees with you, that says a lot about you.

I'ma casual Star Trek fan, I don't know Canon well enough to argue over it.

I can tell there's a difference in quality between say DS9 and the new trek.

Struggling with season 1 of Voyager and TNG, Picard and STD are easier to watch than those. Maybe DS9 is the most consistent trek idk I'm not a Trekkie.

 

[Morrus]

I'ma casual Star Trek fan, I don't know Canon well enough to argue over it.

I can tell there's a difference in quality between say DS9 and the new trek.

Struggling with season 1 of Voyager and TNG, Picard and STD are easier to watch than those. Maybe DS9 is the most consistent trek idk I'm not a Trekkie.

I dunno. You're the guy who reponded to me with "Toxic= anyone who disagrees with me." You appear to be hastily changing the subject. Can you respond to that?

 

[Zardnaar]

I dunno. You're the guy who said "Toxic= anyone who disagrees with me." You appear to be hastily changing the subject. Can you respond to that?

You seem to dismiss a lot of criticism as toxic.

As I said I don't know Canon that well but I know what a Klingon is. Early STD for example was a bit confusing as I wasn't 100% sure what the new Klingons were.

They obviously reimagined them but in my head cannon Klingons are as presented in the 80s movies, TNG, DS9.

It came across as disjointed ymmv. Might sound trivial but it would be like if Star Wars drastically changed wookies.

So you're kinda confused right out the gate.

 

[Morrus]

You seem to dismiss a lot of criticism as toxic.

A lot of it is toxic. Again, you're the guy who said "Toxic= anyone who disagrees with me." Which indicates that you don't understand what the phrase 'toxic fans' means.

As I said I don't know Canon that well but I know what a Klingon is.

Do you? Which one of these many variations is the "correct" KIingon, and why?

So you're kinda confused right out the gate.

No, mate. I'm crystal clear.

 

[Ryujin]

When it came to the Klingons from ST: The Motion Picture and onward through ST:Voyager and the TNG movies, I put it down to two things:

1) TOS Klingons were criticized as looking too Hispanic.
2) They finally got a budget

 

[Zardnaar]

A lot of it is toxic. Again, you're the guy who said "Toxic= anyone who disagrees with me." Which indicates that you don't understand what the phrase 'toxic fans' means.



Do you? Which one of these many variations is the "correct" KIingon, and why?

No, mate. I'm crystal clear.

As I said for me I associate Worf and the Klingons from movie V-VI and TNG/DS9 as the best Klingon.

As I said casual fan I don't remember much of TOS. It's something I watched on Saturday mornings as a kid. I don't remember the plots just the characters and things like the transporters and tribles.

Generally retcons and extreme changes don't go over well. They built up to the Dominion War for example over multiple 20 episode seasons.

 

[Morrus]

When it came to the Klingons from ST: The Motion Picture and onward through ST:Voyager and the TNG movies, I put it down to two things:

1) TOS Klingons were criticized as looking too Hispanic.
2) They finally got a budget

There's at least four clear different designs!

 

[Morrus]

As I said for me I associate Worf and the Klingons from movie V-VI and TNG/DS9 as the best Klingon.

As I said casual fan I don't remember much of TOS. It's something I watched on Saturday mornings as a kid. I don't remember the plots just the characters and things like the transporters and tribles.

Generally retcons and extreme changes don't go over well. They built up to the Dominion War for example over multiple 20 episode seasons.

You are the most evasive person I've ever spoken to. You don't answer a single question put to you. You should be a politician. It's not a conversation, it's just a series of non sequiters.

 

[Zardnaar]

When it came to the Klingons from ST: The Motion Picture and onward through ST:Voyager and the TNG movies, I put it down to two things:

1) TOS Klingons were criticized as looking too Hispanic.
2) They finally got a budget

Well the kinda looked the same
for what 20 odd years? Some individuals looked slightly different.

That's a Klingon to me anyway shrugs.

 

[FitzTheRuke]

Generally retcons and extreme changes don't go over well. They built up to the Dominion War for example over multiple 20 episode seasons.

Season Two of discovery had some of the Klingons "grow their hair" back to the TNG crimped-look, and it showed that they weren't as far away from the previous Klingon design as it seemed at first. Also, they came up with the idea of "Clans" - many of which had more old-style features from various Trek-eras.

They did the same thing in Picard with Romulans. Some of them looked just like the Kelvin-verse movie version (Nero and his crew) while others looked like TNG Romulans, and a few looked really old-school. The idea, I think, is to show that these aliens have as much variety to their ethnicities as us humans do (rather than, say, good-looking Hollywood white folk with facial lumps for every alien.)

I really like it. (And I, like you, thought Disco-Klingons were a step too far at first.)