D&D 5E D&D Mythic Odysseys of Theros Previews!

Mythic Odysseys of Theros may have been delayed until the end of July for most of us, but Fantasy Grounds has revealed some (undoubtedly specially approved) previews for us to look at in the meantime!

 

[Parmandur]

Circle of the Stars (locked in per Crawford)

Interesting, where did he say that?

Of the 12 Subclasses tested in September-October last year (which in retrospect is the Theros playtest period), two are being published and 1 has been revisited. The other 9 are probably sunk entirely, sharing the fate of the Brute or Inventor: the Onomancer certainly, but the other 8 are also obviously meant for Theros, and no shows now.

That leaves 14-15 Subclasses tested since then, for whatever the end of year product is, up in the air. Doubtful they will all make it, but variant Class features are in. I doubt we are looking at a XGtE follow-up, but another Setting book would fit the bill.

 

[Urriak Uruk]

Yeah, but satyrs don't need clothes, except in prudish American publications.

I personally don't need naked satyr art, but if you need it I'm sure Google can provide.

 

[Marandahir]

Interesting, where did he say that?

Of the 12 Subclasses tested in September-October last year (which in retrospect is the Theros playtest period), two are being published and 1 has been revisited. The other 9 are probably sunk entirely, sharing the fate of the Brute or Inventor: the Onomancer certainly, but the other 8 are also obviously meant for Theros, and no shows now.

That leaves 14-15 Subclasses tested since then, for whatever the end of year product is, up in the air. Doubtful they will all make it, but variant Class features are in. I doubt we are looking at a XGtE follow-up, but another Setting book would fit the bill.

Watch the most recent Dragon+ video, .

At 6:32 He makes it very clear that just because a subclass hasn't been revisited doesn't mean it's sunk. Onomancy and Psionic Wizard are definitively sunk per statements in later UA. Crawford said that's actually incredibly rare for them to reveal outright in a public facing playtest document; usually they'd prefer to keep that closer to the chest.

As for the Circle of the Stars, that's actually from the 4/23 Dragon+ interview with Crawford, my bad - .

At 21:19, Crawford says that they're moving forward with Circle of the Stars in part because Psionic Wizard sunk - the two subclasses shared a common feature in Thought Form / Starry Form. If Psionics Wizard had been recieved well, they would have not done the Circle of the Stars Druid. It's a way of exploring similar mechanical and story themes but from a different angle.

 

[Parmandur]

Watch the most recent Dragon+ video, .

At 6:32 He makes it very clear that just because a subclass hasn't been revisited doesn't mean it's sunk. Onomancy and Psionic Wizard are definitively sunk per statements in later UA. Crawford said that's actually incredibly rare for them to reveal outright in a public facing playtest document; usually they'd prefer to keep that closer to the chest.

As for the Circle of the Stars, that's actually from the 4/23 Dragon+ interview with Crawford, my bad - .

At 21:19, Crawford says that they're moving forward with Circle of the Stars in part because Psionic Wizard sunk - the two subclasses shared a common feature in Thought Form / Starry Form. If Psionics Wizard had been recieved well, they would have not done the Circle of the Stars Druid. It's a way of exploring similar mechanical and story themes but from a different angle.

Interesting, thanks! Still, most of the first round last year is probably out for the count, given the historic ratios. It will be interesting to see what the final product ends up being.

 

[darjr]

Well sounds like there using the feedback. Nice.

 

[Parmandur]

Well sounds like there using the feedback. Nice.

If WotC has done one thing this whole past decade, it's establish a virtuous cycle of feedback and implementation.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I agree with most of this post, just have a few comments.

I'd expect beyond the two that ended up in Theros, we'd see the following in a non-setting expanded-rules book later this year (VGM, XGE, timing) or early next year (MTF, GOS timing):

Artificer:

• Base Class features (non-setting reprint)
• Alchemist (reprint)
• Armorer
• Artillerist (reprint)
• Battle Smith (reprint)

[I expect one of the non-Armorer subclasses to be dropped and left as Eberron-only, though]

Yup, no reprint for Artillerist or Battle Smith.

Barbarian:

• Path of the Beast
• Path of the Wild Soul
• MAYBE a Battle-Rager reprint

A slightly revised - if only with an extended equipment list - version of the Battle Rager is due.

Bard:

• College of Creation
• I don't know what else. College of Eloquence is too recent to reprint.

Disagree. I think WotC see setting books as a different kind of thing, and will reprint subclasses from those books quite quickly - they did with swashbuckler.

Cleric:

• Twilight Domain
• Unity Domain
• MAYBE an Order Domain reprint?

Order reprint pretty certain in my opinion - see my earlier comment. That goes for Circle of Spores and Oath of Glory too.

• Variant Class Features

I think this will be a whole chapter, not just ranger.

Wizard:

• Order of Scribes
• Bladesinging reprint
• Graviturgy and Chronurgy too recent to reprint, methinks…

I'm not sure that Wildemont content is likey to be reprinted as it is 3rd party. It would require the spells reprinted as well.

 

[TheSword]

Does anyone know of any adventures with a Greek style theme that could be converted to Theros. Doesn’t matter if it’s 5e or even d&d. I’m not sure any of the Paizo APs fit.

 

[Tales and Chronicles]

Does anyone know of any adventures with a Greek style theme that could be converted to Theros. Doesn’t matter if it’s 5e or even d&d. I’m not sure any of the Paizo APs fit.

Odyssey of the Dragonlords should fit the bill!

Then again, I'm pretty sure most AP from 5e can be converted to greek style if you add 120% more colonnades and white stones and a dash of bada** helms. Bonus points for holding a scimitar on the wrong side (kopis )

Hell, I'm currently imagining the Realms in greco-roman style, and strangely enough, they seem to make more sense than before (walking gods, large city states, important seafaring, demigod-level hero under every stone)

 

[Parmandur]

Disagree. I think WotC see setting books as a different kind of thing, and will reprint subclasses from those books quite quickly - they did with swashbuckler.

Sword Coast Adventurers Guide was released in Q4 2015, Xanathar's was released in Q4 2017, a full two years later. Also, the urge to reprint elements that are not vital to, say, a Setting are significantly reduced now that D&D Beyond is fully operational with a la carte features. No Forge, Order, & Grave reprints in Theros, for example.