D&D 5E Mythic Odysseys of Theros on DNDBeyhond

[atanakar]

In terms of races and subclasses, Odyssey of the Dragonlords is straight-up better, I would note. Not only does Dragonlords have subclasses for all the classes, but they're straight-up better-designed, something I never thought I'd say comparing a 5E WotC book and a 5E 3PP book. The same is true of the races. Dragonlords has more new races - Sirens and Dryads as well as Centaurs, Minotaurs and Satyrs, but their designs for those races are both more interesting, and better-balanced. I don't think we can get away with "well different approaches" either - two subclasses and one of them stinks? Two new races and one is dull-but-powerful and the other is just kind "eh". That's not great work WotC.

Thank you for this comparison. I don't usually buy settings but I will buy the Odyssey of the Dragonlords now that we can compare.

 

[Weiley31]

Oath of Glory on the other hand is staggeringly bad, mechanically. Like wow. I am genuinely impressed by how bad they are

Probably why I'm gonna keep on use instead the UA version. We don't go for "nerfs" at my table.

 

[dave2008]

@Fenris-77, after looking at them a bit more, I am really liking the mythic monsters. They have found a rather simple way to make a solo monster truly difficult. These go way beyond the typical CR 17, 21, & 26 monsters without simple using bigger numbers. Very interesting approach.

 

[Xenonnonex]

In terms of races and subclasses, Odyssey of the Dragonlords is straight-up better, I would note. Not only does Dragonlords have subclasses for all the classes, but they're straight-up better-designed, something I never thought I'd say comparing a 5E WotC book and a 5E 3PP book. The same is true of the races. Dragonlords has more new races - Sirens and Dryads as well as Centaurs, Minotaurs and Satyrs, but their designs for those races are both more interesting, and better-balanced. I don't think we can get away with "well different approaches" either - two subclasses and one of them stinks? Two new races and one is dull-but-powerful and the other is just kind "eh". That's not great work WotC.

The problem now is unearthed arcana. They make cool shite from the off. Then zealously nerf. This has happened before. Some playtesters are clearly giving poor feedback. Some Wizards designers clearly should know better.
The lack of player centric material is also becoming an issue.

 

[Fenris-77]

@Fenris-77, after looking at them a bit more, I am really liking the mythic monsters. They have found a rather simple way to make a solo monster truly difficult. These go way beyond the typical CR 17, 21, & 26 monsters without simple using bigger numbers. Very interesting approach.

That sounds very cool. Solo monsters need some love in 5E. And not now it has one million hit points... Sorta random question, do the rules look like they could scale down to make smaller solo monsters more interesting?

 

[dave2008]

The problem now is unearthed arcana. They make cool shite from the off. Then zealously nerf. This has happened before. Some playtesters are clearly giving poor feedback. Some Wizards designers clearly should know better.
The lack of player centric material is also becoming an issue.

Only if you zip through player options (my group is on their same characters from when we started 5e almost 6 years ago) or don't llike 3pp content. Personally I would have been fine with only the PHB options and everything else being 3PP.

 

[dave2008]

That sounds very cool. Solo monsters need some love in 5E. And not now it has one million hit points... Sorta random question, do the rules look like they could scale down to make smaller solo monsters more interesting?

Not sure what you mean, but the examples range from CR17 to CR 26. The concept could easily be adjusted to any CR really. It is similar to the idea of an "elite"monster in 4e. It has double the HP (essentially) and gets new action options halfway through the battle, sorta of like it has been "bloodied"

Here is an example of a Mythic trait:

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Shed Skin (Mythic Trait; Recharges after a Short or Long Rest).If Hythonia is reduced to 0 hit points, she doesn’t die or fall unconscious. Instead, she sheds her skin, regains 199 hit points, and moves up to her speed without provoking opportunity attacks.

 

[darjr]

The transformations are amazing. I wish they were a secret from players cause as a surprise it’s a freaking huge one.

 

[Fenris-77]

If you can't think of a dozen ways to use that idea even without mechanics, you need to hand in your GM card.

 

[Xenonnonex]

Only if you zip through player options (my group is on their same characters from when we started 5e almost 6 years ago) or don't llike 3pp content. Personally I would have been fine with only the PHB options and everything else being 3PP.

Our group has one shots just to test out the new toys. Some of our group create and retire more than one character. Annoying and tiresome to DM for. But cool also.
I am probably not alone in this.