D&D 5E People didn't like the Psionic Talent Die

[doctorbadwolf]

Alright, let's grant that they wouldn't have made it in: so what? Maybe the game would be better without the culturally problematic aspects of the Monk or Warlock, honestly, and the Battlemaster is a bit overly fiddley.

The game would be poorer without them.

 

[Parmandur]

The game would be poorer without them.

Maybe: but the game would be fine without them, they are not necessary per se.

 

[Giltonio_Santos]

Since they're in the PHB, evidence suggests that they er...would be in the PHB.

Not at all. It's been six years. According to the people who own the game, it received and continues to receive a huge influx of new players, probably the biggest influx in its history. 5e was forged on the feedback of people who played D&D before it but it's pretty reasonable to say that, between new and returning players, they are not the majority of the people providing feedback anymore.

That said if you want to believe that a class that:

• Uses a different casting pattern, to the point that even its signature cantrip is different from the other damage cantrips;
• Runs its own independent and concomitant "feat system" (that would be the warlock invocations);
• Kind of picks two subclasses instead of one...

... would pass the current surveys. I find your faith comforting!

 

[Parmandur]

Not at all. It's been six years. According to the people who own the game, it received and continues to receive a huge influx of new players, probably the biggest influx in its history. 5e was forged on the feedback of people who played D&D before it but it's pretty reasonable to say that, between new and returning players, they are not the majority of the people providing feedback anymore.

That said if you want to believe that a class that:

• Uses a different casting pattern, to the point that even its signature cantrip is different from the other damage cantrips;
• Runs its own independent and concomitant "feat system" (that would be the warlock invocations);
• Kind of picks two subclasses instead of one...

... would pass the current surveys. I find your faith comforting!

I see your point. But still: so what?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Maybe: but the game would be fine without them, they are not necessary per se.

I disagree. A game with just the core 4 classes, for instance, wouldn't actually be DnD, to me. It'd be an OSR game, which has become it's own thing.

The Paladin, Ranger, Monk, Warlock, Bard, Sorcerer, Druid, are all necessary for an edition of DnD.

 

[generic]

Alright, let's grant that they wouldn't have made it in: so what? Maybe the game would be better without the culturally problematic aspects of the Monk or Warlock, honestly, and the Battlemaster is a bit overly fiddley.

What is culturally problematic about the Monk and Warlock? Monks bear little resemblance to practitioners of traditional martial arts, and Warlocks have never existed.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Not at all. It's been six years. According to the people who own the game, it received and continues to receive a huge influx of new players, probably the biggest influx in its history. 5e was forged on the feedback of people who played D&D before it but it's pretty reasonable to say that, between new and returning players, they are not the majority of the people providing feedback anymore.

That said if you want to believe that a class that:

• Uses a different casting pattern, to the point that even its signature cantrip is different from the other damage cantrips;
• Runs its own independent and concomitant "feat system" (that would be the warlock invocations);
• Kind of picks two subclasses instead of one...

... would pass the current surveys. I find your faith comforting!

WOuld a new, additional, class like that pass? Maybe. It's impossible to know. The artificer passed, and it's at least that different from what's in the PHB.

But, on the other hand, you're still comparing things that aren't comparable. Part of why the Warlock excited people, and the psionic die didn't, is that the warlock wasn't being added to an already quite full roster of interesting options.

The Warlock wasn't "one more thing to keep track of", or "one more odd subsystem to learn", because it is in the base product, and informs what the community sees as DnD.

And of course then there are all the other reasons that the psionic die was rejected.

 

[Giltonio_Santos]

an already quite full roster of interesting options.

Calling what we have now, six years into the edition's lifecycle, a quite full roster of interesting options, is kind of an overstatement. I don't know if any other D&D edition was starving for new mechanics like 5e at this point in their respective cycles.

 

[Giltonio_Santos]

I disagree. A game with just the core 4 classes, for instance, wouldn't actually be DnD, to me. It'd be an OSR game, which has become it's own thing.

The Paladin, Ranger, Monk, Warlock, Bard, Sorcerer, Druid, are all necessary for an edition of DnD.

Why the warlock, but not the warlord or a psionic class?

 

[doctorbadwolf]

Calling what we have now, six years into the edition's lifecycle, a quite full roster of interesting options, is kind of an overstatement. I don't know if any other D&D edition was starving for new mechanics like 5e at this point in their respective cycles.

The PHB, by itself. I wasn't even referring to the state of the game now, although that enhances my point. Just the PHB is a full roster of interesting options.